How to tell the difference between UK, aus and US cops

[Johnny Mac]

:lol:  :lol:

It's not going to be this way for much longer (he prays)  :?

Oh, I think it is, unfortunately.

But I don't want any American-style cops going BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! (etc) either.  :?

We could do with more tough action and less bollocks or the crims win. One bang is enough.

[Philly Q]

We could do with more tough action and less bollocks or the crims win. One bang is enough.

Agreed, but in the long term I'd like to see less crims in the first place (and not just because they're dead), so there's less need for tough action.  

We somehow (and I don't know how  :( ) have to get back to a point where responsible parents bring up their kids with respect for authority and consideration for each other.  And I mean real respect, not some bullsh!t macho concept of "respeck".

There have always been elements of society who decided to do wrong.  What we have now is a terrifying number of people who have never been taught there are such things as right and wrong.  They just do what they please, with no thought for anyone else, or for the consequences.  And the kids they produce will be even more frightening.

[sambo]

I agree with what you're saying Phil. Perhaps in some respect what Johnny said about more tough action could help achieve what you're after; more tough, traditional action against criminals sends out more of a "this is wrong" message than pussy-footing around. Whether that helps much at all though I have no idea.

[Will]

Strong parenting is on the down apparently, in a debate in politics the other day, my teacher (head of yr9 - height of c--kiness etc) explained that parents tell the teachers to try and sort them out, they believe its down to this great education education education system b0ll0cks.
Then theres all this stuff about the point where punishment becomes abuse

[Philly Q]

Strong parenting is on the down apparently, in a debate in politics the other day, my teacher (head of yr9 - height of c--kiness etc) explained that parents tell the teachers to try and sort them out, they believe its down to this great education education education system b0ll0cks.

But then when the teachers do take action, the parents take the kids' side - no matter what they've done - and come down and threaten the teachers.

It drives me mad when I see these "Jeremy Kyle guest" parents saying "it's not my responsibilty what they do when they're out".  Oh yes it is, you tossers.  :x

[sambo]

But then when the teachers do take action, the parents take the kids' side - no matter what they've done - and come down and threaten the teachers.

It drives me mad when I see these "Jeremy Kyle guest" parents saying "it's not my responsibilty what they do when they're out".  Oh yes it is, you tossers.  :x

Yeah I know what you mean about the teacher-parent thing. Many parents are so unwilling to admit they're child has done anything wrong. That's from first-hand experience at a school with a good reputation as well.


And as for Jeremy-Kyle guest people (interesting terminology- the Tories are using the EXACT same example for some new campaign of theirs!), well yeah... that's really quite shitee.

[Philly Q]

And as for Jeremy-Kyle guest people (interesting terminology- the Tories are using the EXACT same example for some new campaign of theirs!), well yeah... that's really quite shitee.

Aaargh, God forbid I should align myself with the Tories.  I'll be buying the Daily Mail next.  :oops:

But the thing that worries me about the "get tough on crime", "string 'em up" etc arguments is that it's closing the stable door after the horse has bolted, in a sense.  Give someone a beating every time they step out of line and they'll stop doing it (perhaps... eventually...) - but it won't turn them into a well-adjusted member of society.

An enormous part of a person's personality, values and attitudes is formed in the first few years of life.  If the parents get that part wrong, I believe it's too late.  Those little scumbags who kicked Garry Newlove to death will still be scumbags when they get out of prison, it isn't going to change who they are.

[sambo]

Aaargh, God forbid I should align myself with the Tories.  I'll be buying the Daily Mail next.  :oops:

Here you go:


http://youtube.com/watch?v=MP9WmoaLFWM

  Those little scumbags who kicked Garry Newlove to death will still be scumbags when they get out of prison, it isn't going to change who they are.

Yeah fair play. But how do you get parents to take responsibility for their kids and educate them properly while their growing up? Especially when many of such parents were brought up in the same circumstances. Can anyone say vicious circle?

[Philly Q]

Yeah fair play. But how do you get parents to take responsibility for their kids and educate them properly while their growing up? Especially when many of such parents were brought up in the same circumstances. Can anyone say vicious circle?

Oh yeah, absolutely.  That's what worries me most.  If the parents themselves lack values and don't know what to teach their kids, then how do you break that cycle?  I wish I had the answers.  :(

[sambo]

Me too!!! Or I wish one of the idiots sitting in the houses of parliament, getting paid to think about this sort of thing, knew the answers.  :?

[Davey]

We somehow (and I don't know how  :( ) have to get back to a point where responsible parents bring up their kids with respect for authority and consideration for each other.  And I mean real respect, not some bullsh!t macho concept of "respeck".

you mean restecp?
da ali G way?  

LMFAO

[sambo]

In a way Ali G's Restecp is way better than macho "respeck bruv innit!" :lol:

[Will]

Love Ali G :P

Along the same subject lines, for those in yonder countryside.
Gypsys...
They were outside a village shop, with an unlicensed (prob stolen) quad bike, police come up to ask for driving license + reg etc.

"well you can $%&# off, its nothing to do with you"

and so he did...
The issue is futher confused by being very near the Herts and Beds border, and so they cannot be prosecuted (also because they have no permanent address)

Despite my father being arrested for drunk driving on farm property and losing license for 3 years, by sodding Beds police :?

[Johnny Mac]

The thing is the parents aren't going to get better. Why is this? Well I've got a few theorys to bang around. I was born in the sixties which isn't that long ago really. My parents were born in the thirties. Theirs just at the end of Victoria's reign. So 3 generations away from so called Victorian Values what ever they may be but you get the picture. Her husband Albert supposedly being all virtuous ect according to his memorial near The Albert Hall. People aspired to all of this back then, well most did. Now they don't even know what a virtue is or as Philly pointed out the difference between right and wrong. So is this how things were before The Victorians came along? Not sure, perhaps one of us is a historian and could shed some light. So if you have no education, no morals intellect or logic ect your left with instincts, which in their basic form are fuking scary! Drugged up cave teens with shooters, great eh! I can see your point Phil, get to the basics and stop them being criminals in the first place but with parents so deluded and in denial you've got no chance. I really think the human race as a whole has peaked and is now in free fall. There isn't enough space, resources and were not the only country breeding things like this. Ha ha you've got to laugh haven't you!  We have a government who haven't got a clue about anything anymore let alone getting to grips with this shitee. What a $%&#ing sorry mess it all is  :lol:  Find salvation in your guitars boys, it's all we've got!  :roll:

[Johnny Mac]

^ I've been on the Whisky for 2 hours. What a rant!
 :lol: