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« Reply #60 on: March 07, 2008, 07:52:57 PM »
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The few people I know who've studied martial arts have never actually used it.  And when you ask "what would you do if...", they all say (a) keep your eyes open and try not to get into trouble; (b) if you do get into trouble, the best thing to do, if you can, is just run away.

It seems to me that the real purpose of self-defence training is just to increase self-confidence.  But that's going off on yet another tangent.

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I hear what youre saying about the improvment and press skewing our view. Life is very very much safer now than 100 years ago. Probably even 50.

I dont think we should leave it at where we have it, though.

I'm sure it's safer than 100 years ago, maybe even 50, but I don't think it's as safe as it was 20, 30 years ago.  Or maybe I've just got more scared as I've got older.  

Even if it is statistically safer nowadays, I think the difference is that more people are - how can I put it? - close to the edge.  There will always be "bad" parts of town and a hardcore of nutters, wherever you go.  But I think people generally have become more aggressive and unpleasant, simultaneously less tolerant and less considerate of those around them.  

It may just be small things like not holding doors or letting someone else go first, or playing music loudly, or shouting into mobile phones, but everyone is so self-centred.  And on public transport there's this strange stay-out-of-my-space atmosphere - defensiveness mixed with mild hostility.  

Maybe it's just a London thing.


it's possible about self-defence. much like the way in 4x4 adverts, when it says, "buy one and don't be pushed off the road by other aggressive drivers" what it really means is "now you can be the aggressive one!"...

But I don't know. I'm sure plenty of people are doing it just in case. or maybe they just like it.

I'd also tend to agree with the fact that it was perhaps safer 20 or 30 years ago. Certainly, in the grand scheme of things, it's safer than it's been in the past. However, in the past few years, things seem to be going backwards- for example, we're better educated than at most points in the past, yet reading skills probably aren't as good as they were in the 50s.

I know I noticed that when i was at school, the younger kids seemed a lot cheekier and more confident than we'd been at the same age. that was maybe 7 years ago. when we were the youngest in the school, we were scared of the 6th formers... when we were 6th formers, they didn't seem to be.

maybe that's back to my wussiness, though.

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Theres no doubt that poor socio-economic circumstances lead to higher crime rates.

But the fact that so many people, the vast majority, that are in those circumstances dont screw other people over to get by proves that there is something else going on (probably many things).

I'm not so sure about 'nicer' either. Its not as simple as good or bad person.


i dunno mark... the whole concept of capitalism seems to be "screw over or be screwed over"... that's another reason why i'm very sceptical of the law. form a plc and float on the stock exchange, and it's a good business model... don't and you're a common criminal. e.g. l'oreal with their fake eyelashes in mascara adverts.

as you say, it's complicated.

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« Reply #61 on: March 07, 2008, 08:10:59 PM »
Dave: people take up martial arts for lots of reasons. Self defence is probably the most common. Liking it is the most common reason to carry on with it (not winning fights or anything like that). There are benefits to it that often suprise people. Historically its tied into eastern philophies and the majority of eastern martial arts espouse dicipline, peacefull resolution, minimum force needed and respect. Real respect. Not 'respeck'  :shock:

A martial arts expert is much more likely to not want to fight.

Something thats often said is the confidence boost. Its true. The difference you feel is significant: you carry yourself better and become more assertive (but not aggressive, theres a world of difference). I wouldnt be suprised if just the air of confidence is an effective deterrant.

We used to make sport of the smaller kids in 6th form, if they gave us the excuse. A mate of mine put one in the bin and rolled him down the stairs once because he was in the 6th form area, and wasnt allowed to be (and he was running round being a pest). I laughed for what seemed like days.

The thing I like about capitalism is it allows you to pursue anything. Free market. Go, do, be. Its great.

What youre talking about, I thnk, is where the pursuit of money becomes a higher priority than other basic human morals.

That isnt implicit in capitalism. Or rather, captialism isnt in contradiction with that. Pure capitalism is a nightmare and thankfully doesnt happen. Capitalism can be a part of a society without that (and is: we have welfare and corporations are regulated externally to prevent infingments on more basic human rights in the quest for big numbers in your bank ballance).

Theres the safety net of welfare, too. But sponging gits have to kick the arse out of that and ruin it for other people as well.

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« Reply #62 on: March 07, 2008, 09:53:34 PM »
oh yeah, i was just agreeing with philly that taking up martial arts might appeal to the odd person who wanted to use it for ill. I'm well aware and agree that most don't. my sister did it for a while, lol.

my complaint with it is that i can't be arsed.  :lol:

i'd find it very hard to argue with the rest of your post (apart from perhaps pushing the kid down the stairs   :o  :o  :o  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: ), and in fact pretty much agree.

Much like your argument about safety- my feeling about capitalism is that it's the best we have thus far, but it doesn't mean we can't improve it (or try to).

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« Reply #63 on: March 08, 2008, 09:09:51 PM »
I agree, it can be improved. But then theres 'improved acording to whom?'

What measure? By what system of value?

Somethings always going to screw someone over in some way.

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« Reply #64 on: March 08, 2008, 09:18:41 PM »
Just a comment on the original post, my Dad's a copper. He would have thrown the glock on the floor and charged the guy, breaking his knife-arm in one swift motion and then brutalizing every bone in the guys body for having the cheek to brandish a knife at him.

But then, my Dad's old-skool.  :lol:

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« Reply #65 on: March 08, 2008, 09:24:29 PM »
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Just a comment on the original post, my Dad's a copper. He would have thrown the glock on the floor and charged the guy, breaking his knife-arm in one swift motion and then brutalizing every bone in the guys body for having the cheek to brandish a knife at him.

But then, my Dad's old-skool.  :lol:


Both my parents were in the police, too. They met in the MET. Dad taught me how to disarm someone with a gun, as it happens (not that I expect I'd have the stones to do it for real)

They thought it was funny.

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« Reply #66 on: March 08, 2008, 10:16:26 PM »
Yeah my Dad's always telling me how pissed off all this bureaucratic cr@p and over-political-correctness screws the job up. You're not allowed to manhandle criminals anymore, it's beyond stupid. The good days of British Policing are gone I'm afraid. I haven't shown him the thread yet but he'll probably think it's funny just because it's so true, lol.  :lol:

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« Reply #67 on: March 08, 2008, 11:34:17 PM »
Yeah, dads got some pretty funny stories.

Though from what I can tell the good ol days of policing also includes full sirens and lights when youre going to get your lunch  :lol:

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« Reply #68 on: March 08, 2008, 11:43:24 PM »
Never a dull moment.   :wink:

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« Reply #69 on: March 09, 2008, 12:14:55 AM »
The ones ivolving "Sorry, was that your head?" also crack me up

Rooftops of terraced houses sound like fun places to have chases too.

Not sure that happens much any more.

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« Reply #70 on: March 09, 2008, 12:56:28 AM »
Yeah, all that "health and safety" balls, lol.

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« Reply #71 on: March 09, 2008, 01:15:43 AM »
Thtas another topic entirely.

Dont even get me started.

At work they try and tell us chairs are dangerous.

$%&#ING CHAIRS!?!?!?!?

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« Reply #72 on: March 09, 2008, 10:02:38 AM »
Ugh Health & Safety!  I got told off for using my Ipod charger at work as it didn't have one of those stickers on it to say that it had been tested as being safe. I was apparently using "unauthorised equipment". I told the guy to go away and make love to himself though I used other words to express that sentiment.
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« Reply #73 on: March 09, 2008, 12:56:56 PM »
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. I told the guy to go away and make love to himself though I used other words to express that sentiment.


HA!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  That's one of your finest in recent times Beatle. :lol:

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« Reply #74 on: March 09, 2008, 08:01:25 PM »
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I agree, it can be improved. But then theres 'improved acording to whom?'

What measure? By what system of value?

Somethings always going to screw someone over in some way.


true, but some people are being screwed over more than others. :)

"approved according to majority", i'd say. democracy. though obviously you need a system in place to prevent the majority from persecuting the minority, too.

agreed about health and safety. They seem to spend their time (95% of the time, anyway) worrying about things which are extremely unlikely to be dangerous, meanwhile missing the obvious things which are extremely dangerous.

 :lol: