nuts...

[Antag]

Pulling a locking trem "up" is of extremely limited use IMO.

You might pull it up half a step or so occassionally but more than that & you run the risk of breaking the strings or worse still, the trem itself (the intonation screws can only take so much tension).

Those harmonic squeals you hear from Vai, Dimebag et al are not from pulling up on the bar but by quickly divebombing it, popping a harmonic when it's "down" then slowly letting it back to the neutral position.

[Antag]

k sorry for my noobness :p  :P so what happens when ur strings go out of tune with a locking nut?

It will go out of tune, but - if everything's in good working order - not by very much.  That's when you use the fine tuners on the bridge.

+1

If you stretched the strings properly when you fitted them, then tightened the locking nut correctly, it will rarely go out of tune (& only by very little when it does).

You should almost never need to loosen the locking nut & "retune" - the fine tuners should have more than enough adjustability...

[Antag]

so if i buy an rg1570 would it be worth getting the nut swapped anyway?

No, absolutely pointless IMO....

[varkunus]

yh im not expecting to do the same as a dive but upwards;p but its nice for the vai sorta fluttering effect like in for the love of god. And will be nice to have a trem system which dont go out of tune.

And about the knife edge?

[Lazy_McDoesnothing]

well its got an edge pro II i think, which is supposidly better than the OFRs. So i will get it set up by a pro anyway, to get the action nice and low. Also two further questions. Firstly about this knife edge will it wear out? Secondly i know on my squires strats trem (vintage), that when i push the whammy bar down, the strings actions increases, so if i could pull it up, like on a floyd rose style one, would it decrease? Meaning that if i had really low actions if i used the trem both ways, it would just dud out?

The OFR is still better.  The Ibanez trems on par with the OFR are the Edge and Lo-Pro Edge.  I don't have experience with the ZR so I can't comment.  The rest are made of softer metals like the Edge III and Lo-Trs I&II.

Knife edges do wear out over time with extreme use.  The Edge on my '91 Ibanez still holds perfect tune.  If it's properly set up and you don't use it often most LFR trems stay in tune well.  After time if it won't hold tune you can either block it off to make it a fixed bridge or replace it with something better.

[Stevepage]

I've always had trouble with ibanez trems. I've had the Edge and the Edge Pro and the Lo Pro 7. Each one of them never held it's tuning, even after having it set up, lubricated etc etc.

The Original Floyd Rose however, was the best trem ever. It never went out of tune, not even by half a semitone.

[noodleplugerine]

well its got an edge pro II i think, which is supposidly better than the OFRs. So i will get it set up by a pro anyway, to get the action nice and low. Also two further questions. Firstly about this knife edge will it wear out? Secondly i know on my squires strats trem (vintage), that when i push the whammy bar down, the strings actions increases, so if i could pull it up, like on a floyd rose style one, would it decrease? Meaning that if i had really low actions if i used the trem both ways, it would just dud out?

The OFR is still better.  The Ibanez trems on par with the OFR are the Edge and Lo-Pro Edge.  I don't have experience with the ZR so I can't comment.  The rest are made of softer metals like the Edge III and Lo-Trs I&II.

Knife edges do wear out over time with extreme use.  The Edge on my '91 Ibanez still holds perfect tune.  If it's properly set up and you don't use it often most LFR trems stay in tune well.  After time if it won't hold tune you can either block it off to make it a fixed bridge or replace it with something better.

+1 to all above.

OFR is what you want in the end - But if you have a good bridge its not worth replacing for one.

[kellar]

I switched to a Tusq nut recently, replacing the cr@ppy plastic Epiphone one. Definitely a noticeable increase in sustain and I find myself tuning my guitar less. Nice upgrade.

[varkunus]

well according to UG the edge pros are really good trems, although i know stay clear of edge IIIs. Also the edge pros are lower profile aint they

[badgermark]

Found out recently that the newer MIM Fenders come with bone nuts from the factory. A nice addition to an otherwise 'cheap' guitar.

[Sollophonic]

Point well made about a top nut needing to be well cut, whatever the material. My personal preference is for unbleached bone, as I like the way it sort of evens out the tone of open and fretted strings, particularly when using open tunings which use more open strings. Others may disagree, but just my opinion.

[varkunus]

but the nut on the rg should be adaquate considering its a locking nut

[varkunus]

and i just checked the ibanez site http://www.ibanez.co.jp/world/country/frame_uk.html and its a 5 peice neck, so is that better or worse than the 3 peice. And it uses an edgepro not and edge pro II, sorry i was under the impression than the edgepro II was improvement by most people on reviews saying the edge pro is much better. What do you guys thinks?

[Will]

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You don't need to be that fussy about it, I am yet to hear an argument for 1pc Vs 3pc Vs 5 Vs 7 etc being tonally better.

[varkunus]

ow ok. Thats cool, and about floyd rose style action, how to do adjust it? Because u dont have bridge saddles do you, and the nut wont make a difference