New 7 stringer

[Emperor]

Edit : THANKS GUYS, I ordered another C-warpig bridge, and a painkilla for neck.  (will make a change from the a5 nailbomb neck on my jackson ;p)

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Hi guys,

I just emailed Tim (waiting for the answear) but I'd like to get some advice concerning the next pair of humbuckers I'll be buying. They're for a custom guitar I'm getting built for myself. It'll be a 7 stringer Randy Rhoads style with mahogany neck thru body, laminated maple neck, rosewood fretboard (not 100% sure about the fretboard though).  Original Floyd Rose also.

I play technical/progressive brutal death metal, tuned a step lower, so for the rythm part, I'm looking for something with massive output and a very aggressive and tight bass response. Also, I don't want anything too bright sounding (the "high" knob on my amp is never set higher than halfway).

I was thinking about a Ceramic Warpig, one of which I already have on another axe, but I was wondering if you might have another suggestion.

For my lead parts, I simply want something that'll raise the roof and/or rip off people's teeth as I play a solo; I'm sure you get the idea. I was thinking perhaps a Rebel Yell?  I got an alnicoV nailbomb, and it is pretty sweet, but has not enough bite.

By the way, I play through a Peavey JSX and a Vader cab right now, but I'm planning on buying some high-end german amplifier, something like Diezel Herbert, Engl SE or Framus Cobra.

Thanks!

Stéphane

[ericsabbath]

I play technical/progressive brutal death metal, tuned a step lower, so for the rythm part, I'm looking for something with massive output and a very aggressive and tight bass response. Also, I don't want anything too bright sounding (the "high" knob on my amp is never set higher than halfway).

I was thinking about a Ceramic Warpig, one of which I already have on another axe, but I was wondering if you might have another suggestion.

For my lead parts, I simply want something that'll raise the roof and/or rip off people's teeth as I play a solo; I'm sure you get the idea. I was thinking perhaps a Rebel Yell?  I got an alnicoV nailbomb, and it is pretty sweet, but has not enough bite.

By the way, I play through a Peavey JSX and a Vader cab right now, but I'm planning on buying some high-end german amplifier, something like Diezel Herbert, Engl SE or Framus Cobra.

miracle man for sure
i have one in a japanese les paul copy
i usually play it through my framus cobra or my peavey rockmaster (basically the triple XXX in a 1U rack) into a 2 x 6550 mini power amp head

i had a lot of pickups and played some other BK models, and the miracle man is one of the tightest pickups ever
i was going to say painkiller, but you said you want darkness, sou you'll love the miracle man
it's dark and dense
it sounds tight and thick, with a focused in your face tone
the lead tone has a weird active-like clarity, but very organic, especially for a ceramic pickup
not my favorite BKP (i'm still in unconditional for the holy diver), but definitely the most unique

[MDV]

Miralce man is one of the, if not the brightest pickup BK make, Eric. In maple thru and and FR on a V its gonna be at pretty much its brightest.

Ceramic warpig is what I'd recommend.

[ericsabbath]

Miralce man is one of the, if not the brightest pickup BK make, Eric. In maple thru and and FR on a V its gonna be at pretty much its brightest.

Ceramic warpig is what I'd recommend.

not at all
mine is dark as hell
darker than the holy diver i had in the same guitar, the painkiller and the alnico pig i played in mahogany guitars too
i made comparisons with a gibson 500t and other ceramic pickups like duncan custom, emg 81, bill lawrence l-500xl, duncan distortion
the miracle man in mahogany is definitely DARK (in a good way)
not dark like a PAF style pickup, but it is dark, especially considering it sounds very ceramic (and ceramic pickups are mostly bright)
it has a sharp top end, but the bass is huge and mids are all in the low end of the midrange
no near as bright as the painkiller

[MDV]

Well, dude, I've had or have in the bridge of various guitars

3 miralce men
crawler
warpigs (both kinds)
painkiller
Nailbomb

And the MM is the brightest. I dunno what you think makes 'bright' here: MMs dont have a hell of a lot of mids and high mids (still got a fair bit mind you), lots of bass, low mids and a tonne of treble, and a very high resonant peak though. Easily the brightest, trebliest pickup in the above selection.

I can sort of see how you might be calling something going on in the mids 'dark', but I dont hear it. The MM is not a 'dark' pickup.  Its way bright.

[Emperor]

Thanks guys,

Yeah, for bridge i'm pretty much sold on another C-warpig,  I was thinking maybe a C- Nailbomb ... don't wanna something too bright.

if the miracle man is that bright, it'll have to be overwound like hell, which might not be a miracle man anymore ;p

For neck/lead, I don't mind if it's bright, I just want a sonic assault, hell I like the tone of a bridge pickup on neck ;p

[opprobrium_9]

Thanks guys,

Yeah, for bridge i'm pretty much sold on another C-warpig,  I was thinking maybe a C- Nailbomb ... don't wanna something too bright.

if the miracle man is that bright, it'll have to be overwound like hell, which might not be a miracle man anymore ;p

For neck/lead, I don't mind if it's bright, I just want a sonic assault, hell I like the tone of a bridge pickup on neck ;p

That C-Nailbomb will darken the fvck out of your guitar man, so maple thru neck? Yeah, that is what i would choose.

[ericsabbath]

Thanks guys,

Yeah, for bridge i'm pretty much sold on another C-warpig,  I was thinking maybe a C- Nailbomb ... don't wanna something too bright.

if the miracle man is that bright, it'll have to be overwound like hell, which might not be a miracle man anymore ;p

For neck/lead, I don't mind if it's bright, I just want a sonic assault, hell I like the tone of a bridge pickup on neck ;p

That C-Nailbomb will darken the fvck out of your guitar man, so maple thru neck? Yeah, that is what i would choose.

i still strongly disagree about that
i don't know how does it sound in other woods, but in mahogany the miracle man is DARK and i usually prefer dark pickups over bright
it probably sounds bright in alder, ash, maybe in korina, but not in mahogany
i had over 10 pickups in this same guitar and the miracle man was one of the darkest high output pickups i had
i'm actually thinking of using an eq before the amp to cuta bit of bass and boost the high mids

never played a nailbomb, but judging by clips, the regular alnico nailbomb sounds dark, but the ceramic one sounds bright like a painkiller

note that different guitars in different tunnings will change a lot how the pickups react
ex: when i first installed a holy diver in this guitars, i thought it sounded too bright, then i downtuned 1 step and it sounded dark and growly
some people here will call it dark, others will say it's bright
i say it depends on the situation

[Emperor]

All right, Tim recommanded me a Ceramic warpig or a Painkilla for bridge... and Painkilla for a powerfull/fat Neck.

So that will be it.

miracle man and others will wait for another axe then ;p

[opprobrium_9]

Thanks guys,

Yeah, for bridge i'm pretty much sold on another C-warpig,  I was thinking maybe a C- Nailbomb ... don't wanna something too bright.

if the miracle man is that bright, it'll have to be overwound like hell, which might not be a miracle man anymore ;p

For neck/lead, I don't mind if it's bright, I just want a sonic assault, hell I like the tone of a bridge pickup on neck ;p

That C-Nailbomb will darken the fvck out of your guitar man, so maple thru neck? Yeah, that is what i would choose.

i still strongly disagree about that
i don't know how does it sound in other woods, but in mahogany the miracle man is DARK and i usually prefer dark pickups over bright
it probably sounds bright in alder, ash, maybe in korina, but not in mahogany
i had over 10 pickups in this same guitar and the miracle man was one of the darkest high output pickups i had
i'm actually thinking of using an eq before the amp to cuta bit of bass and boost the high mids

never played a nailbomb, but judging by clips, the regular alnico nailbomb sounds dark, but the ceramic one sounds bright like a painkiller

note that different guitars in different tunnings will change a lot how the pickups react
ex: when i first installed a holy diver in this guitars, i thought it sounded too bright, then i downtuned 1 step and it sounded dark and growly
some people here will call it dark, others will say it's bright
i say it depends on the situation

to be honest, it is really horribly subjective.  one man's dark is another man's bright etc.  That is the problem, and that is why Tim is the word of God on pickups.

[Emperor]

miracle man for sure
i have one in a japanese les paul copy
i usually play it through my framus cobra or my peavey rockmaster (basically the triple XXX in a 1U rack) into a 2 x 6550 mini power amp head

Hey man, I just want to know, Because there are NO Framus dealers in Kanada, How is the lead channel?? I know for rythm there is tons and tons of gain, which is nice, but is it that noizy?? How would it compare to, let's say ENGL Savage/Invader or Diezel herbert?  Maybe less versatile?

This amp could really fits my needs, but I can't order one if I never played them !!

Or if you got any soundclips... hehe

Kind regards !

[Frank_C]

Nailbomb or a Warpig

I have a friend who plays death metal annd he got a war pig and through his 6550 (peavey) it sounds heavey as and there its pretty bassy too.

I have also heard that the nail bombs are pretty heavey dont personally know what they are like though.

[ilÿti]

I'd say C-Pig too for pure brutality and face-melt but maybe you'd rather want something different from what's in your other guitar. Painkiller would be the obvious choice, but if you want to get rid of brightness, maybe Holy Diver is the way to go? Painkiller neck, definitely.

[ericsabbath]

miracle man for sure
i have one in a japanese les paul copy
i usually play it through my framus cobra or my peavey rockmaster (basically the triple XXX in a 1U rack) into a 2 x 6550 mini power amp head

Hey man, I just want to know, Because there are NO Framus dealers in Kanada, How is the lead channel?? I know for rythm there is tons and tons of gain, which is nice, but is it that noizy?? How would it compare to, let's say ENGL Savage/Invader or Diezel herbert?  Maybe less versatile?

This amp could really fits my needs, but I can't order one if I never played them !!

Or if you got any soundclips... hehe

Kind regards !

the lead channel circuit is identical to the crunch, but the crunch channel has 2 resistors attenuating the signal, so they sound almost the same, but the lead is about 20% more saturated

these resistors are located in a separate little board right behing the knobs and each board contains the tonestack of each channel, so they are easily modded
i got the crunch channel modded for a bit more saturation by changing the values of those resistors, but i didn't want to bypass them cause it would sound identical to the lead

the difference from the framus cobra to the framus dragon is all in the tone stack, and there's a resistor before the 3rd stage that cuts a bit more signal on the dragon, so they are very similar amps

i got my lead channel modded for the framus dragon sound, so now i have 3 amps in one, as the cobra's clean channel circuit is a perfect fender bassman clone (the dragon has vox ac30 based circuit on the clean)
the modded lead channel still sounds a lot like the cobra, but it has a bit too much bass and less treble (and the cobra already has a absurd amounts of low end)

note that the cobra is a band amp
at home it's almost impossible to get real GOOD tones from the distorted channels (the clean is always awesome), but at studio/gig it's a monster
i had a recto before and it was a joke... the cobra has more bass with absolute zero flubby response and huge mids
the low end hits your face like you're picking hard a bass guitar :lol:
it's my bassists nightmare, cause it dominates the guitar AND bass frequencies

i never saw a diezel, but judging by clips, videos, albums, they are very different from the framus
more like a soldano meets recto
something wet and fluid, not the cobra ballpark

the cobra is a metal amp
it sounds open compared to peavey and engl amps, but it's DENSE and tight as hell
the saturation sounds very dry at low volumes, but gets big when played loud
the only downside i can think of is the absence of marshall-like mid gain tones
it's too punchy

i've played it against a dual recto, a laney vh100r, a stiletto deuce, a triaxis + mesa 50/50, a slo clone and the cobra rips everything for modern metal

i never played a real engl, but my bandmate built a 100w head based on the ENGL Fireball and the ENGL 530 preamp with a Soldano based ower amp section
it's a killer amp, but different from the framus
the ENGL gain structure is rawer, more saturated and processed, like Peavey stuff, so it definitely wins for low and medium volumes
at loud volumes it's a monster too, but the Framus sounds more alive and cuts better

i posted a holy diver clip with the framus, but it was recorded at my apartment, low volume, and i used my 1x12 (celestion century vintage) instead of my cobra 4x12 (celestion greenbacks), cheap pc microphone

http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10135

sorry for the huge off topic post  :lol:

[Emperor]

It's alright sir, maybe the thread can be splitted and moved  ;p

With the clips we can tell a 'lil about the amp, even if the audio quality is not that great

I found these clips also, hehe
http://www.netmusicians.org/index.php?value=Framus%20Cobra&section=amp