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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2008, 07:35:44 AM »
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There are horror stories already where buyers are acting like tossers - knowing they can't be given any adverse feedback.


What type of thing ? What do we have to beware of ?

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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2008, 09:23:30 AM »
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There are horror stories already where buyers are acting like tossers - knowing they can't be given any adverse feedback.

What type of thing ? What do we have to beware of ?

I have to say it sounds like a bit of an "urban myth" to me - the new feedback system only started yesterday!  

What's the point of buyers being arsey?  They're still there to buy something and presumably want good service from the seller.  Unless they're deliberately setting out just to be difficult - in which case you can get them banned (.... eventually  :roll: ).
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2008, 09:41:08 AM »
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There are horror stories already where buyers are acting like tossers - knowing they can't be given any adverse feedback.


What type of thing ? What do we have to beware of ?



Basically anything now, but the one's that have popped up already are;

1. Buyer buys an item of clothing that is clearly stated as a certain colour. Item sent by seller. Seller then receives word from the buyer that they now don't want that colour and want to send it back. Seller agrees but points to the fact that in this case the buyer is responsible for return postage. Buyer states that they are not going to do this and unless the postage is paid by the seller they will give a negative.  
 
2. Item and packaging are damaged, clearly whilst in the postal system. Buyer demands full refund immediately. Seller asks for full information and return of item so they can claim insurance and refund the buyer etc.
Buyer contacts the seller and states that unless full and immediate refund is given that day a negative will be left.


The whole transaction process is in a state of imbalance now. Before, when something genuinely went wrong (item lost, damaged etc), the matter could easily be resolved by both parties without the need for negative feedback. These days buyers know they are bomb proof and are making unreasonable demands.

I used buy and sell a lot on ebay and things did go missing in the post - both items that I had bought and sold. I was always able to sort it out. These days I would probably get a negative.

The scale of the lack of judgement on ebay's part in all this is stunning. Sellers and buyers need to be treated equally. The old system wasn't the best and did need a review but to change it to this is very, very poor indeed.

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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2008, 09:44:11 AM »
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There are horror stories already where buyers are acting like tossers - knowing they can't be given any adverse feedback.

What type of thing ? What do we have to beware of ?

I have to say it sounds like a bit of an "urban myth" to me - the new feedback system only started yesterday!  

What's the point of buyers being arsey?  They're still there to buy something and presumably want good service from the seller.  Unless they're deliberately setting out just to be difficult - in which case you can get them banned (.... eventually  :roll: ).


Look to the community forums on ebay Phil. It seems that it has started already. The new system also applies to all transactions that have not had feedback left already - before 15/5/08.

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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2008, 09:48:06 AM »
People need to chill out and understand how buying and selling works both ways.

Like saying that they want a refund on that day!! if it were them they wouldnt do it they are just angry!!!

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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2008, 10:03:54 AM »
can you still leave comments/explanations on negative feedback you recieve?

its put me off selling stuff, generally its not the big stuff that i would expect problems on but i was recently selling of loads of old warhammer stuff  and some sold for 99p.  I had more issues with the buyers on these than i ever have on anything else

For instance, i sell a very well painted minature for 99p.  The buyer is in the netherlands and asks for a postage quote after the auction has ended, fair enough. but this results in 4 or 5 emails where he is haggling over the price i was charging.  I broke it all down for him because i wanted to cover the cost of first class post and the cost of packaging... basically out of that 99p ebay take their cut and paypal took a bit too and if i didnt charge for the packaging i would be making a loss.  I offered to just leave good feedback and cancel the sale if he wasnt happy with that but he grudgingly paid up the £2.50 i was charging him for the item and p&p.  So two weeks later it hasnt arrived and he starts getting arsey again but their really isnt much i can do about a lost international item... i cant be bothered with this for a few pence so i give him a full refund.

He gave me positive feedback with a lower rating on the P&P and all is good... i gave him positive feedback too

I reckon with teh new system i would have lost my 100% positive with a transaction like that before i had even tried to solve any issues

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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2008, 10:08:59 AM »
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People need to chill out and understand how buying and selling works both ways.

Like saying that they want a refund on that day!! if it were them they wouldnt do it they are just angry!!!


That's the way it used to work.

The only flaw with the old system was that when you got involved with a  genuinely poor seller who didn't send the item you paid for, or something similar, you would certainly have been given retaliatory negative feedback - even if you had done nothing wrong.

The new system is clearly designed with this flaw in mind but has tipped the scale over too far, so that buyers (and there are poor ones out these) can act as they please - as long as they pay.

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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2008, 11:54:35 AM »
Well, it doesn't sound good  :( .  I know I tend to take the role of "eBay defender" in these discussions, but I think sometimes people get a little hysterical slagging off what is basically an excellent service.  All that "Evil Bay" nonsense winds me up.

It's early doors for the new system, so let's see how it pans out.  It's not at all in eBay's interest for buyers to start flinging around negative feedback left right and centre.  The lower a seller's feedback, the more likely it is to put off other buyers.  And if that happens and profits start dropping, you can bet they'll change the system again.

But one thing's certain - if I get any negative feedback I'll be hopping mad about it  :roll:  :wink: .
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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2008, 12:29:07 PM »
I'm new to Paypal and eBay and they've already screwed me.

So to the point, I hope they $%&#ing die. And if they're still alive I hope they have an agonising last few minutes of pain. bar-stewards.
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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2008, 12:40:51 PM »
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I'm new to Paypal and eBay and they've already screwed me.

So to the point, I hope they #$%!& die. And if they're still alive I hope they have an agonising last few minutes of pain. bar-stewards.


Don't beat about the bush Jonny. Tell us what you really think man!     :D

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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2008, 01:20:23 PM »
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I'm new to Paypal and eBay and they've already screwed me.

So to the point, I hope they #$%!& die. And if they're still alive I hope they have an agonising last few minutes of pain. bar-stewards.


Don't beat about the bush Jonny. Tell us what you really think man!     :D

I recently bought strings and packaging off eBay. eBay is fine. Just not Paypal. The transaction was easy. Until it started saying I was paying by eCheque rather than direct transfer of money. I was thinking:

Why is that? Why do I have to add funds to my Paypal account in order to buy? Does it not link directly to my bank and fish money out simple as?

But NO, those bar-stewards have to do it some weird messed up way. So they have robbed me of time seeing as I did this a week ago. And also they robbed me of the money I used to pay the items for because it has gone out of my bank and has not returned. So plain simple as the trend goes..

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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2008, 01:37:46 PM »
eBay is fine. Just not Paypal.

ebay owns paypal. Soon there will only be the option to use paypal to pay for anything on ebay. I believe ebay Australia is being used as a trial for this exact method very shortly.

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« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2008, 01:40:44 PM »
well its not just that jonny remember they said your card had expired when you still have a good few years on it.

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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2008, 01:44:46 PM »
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Why is that? Why do I have to add funds to my Paypal account in order to buy? Does it not link directly to my bank and fish money out simple as?

Did you register a credit card with them?  When I first registered my payments were charged to my credit card, until I reached some limit (don't remember the amount, £750 or something) at which point they started being charged to my bank account (unless there's money in the PayPal account).

Then there are various stages you have to go through to "upgrade" your PayPal account when you start making sales and when you've received a certain amount of money.
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« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2008, 01:46:14 PM »
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Why is that? Why do I have to add funds to my Paypal account in order to buy? Does it not link directly to my bank and fish money out simple as?

Did you register a credit card with them?  When I first registered my payments were charged to my credit card, until I reached some limit (don't remember the amount, £750 or something) at which point they started being charged to my bank account (unless there's money in the PayPal account).

Then there are various stages you have to go through to "upgrade" your PayPal account when you start making sales and when you've received a certain amount of money.


he added his debit card but the payments were sent by echeque due to paypal thinking his card is expired when its virtually new and has a good few years left on it