Why does Macca make the news?

[dave_mc]

And while we're on the subject, why the hell hasn't Ringo got a knighthood?

agreed wholeheartedly, those voiceovers on thomas the tank engine were amazing.

[MDV]

The man is a very talented musician and songwriter.
You can't knock him for what he's done. When some of you have got older and the metal thing starts to subside somewhat and then the you may get the beatles. There is so much of their material out there some of it will connect with you. Besides it's not his fault the media always put him in the spotlight.

Away now jonny, thats a bit condesending to folks that like metal. Its simply not true that it prevents you from appreciating other music. Hell, the fact that most other genres have been blended with metal in some way should be a givaway that metal musicians are generally open minded musically

(yes there are some that let the side down, but every genre has its Empty Cans).

[Philly Q]

I'm 39, how much older will I need to get before I lose interest in metal?

I'm nearly 44, and I've got to say it's started to lose some of its appeal for me.

That is to say, they aren't many new(ish) metal bands who do anything for me, apart from Opeth, Mastodon and maybe a few others.  There's a general lack of melody and "proper" singers, which I think is a shame (edit: I know I've said that a million times, apologies).

Still love the old stuff as much as ever though.

[nfe]

When some of you have got older and the metal thing starts to subside somewhat and then the you may get the beatles.

Sorry, but this narrowminded nonsense pretty much invalidates anything worthwhile you may have had to say.

[Will]

When some of you have got older and the metal thing starts to subside somewhat and then the you may get the beatles.

Sorry, but this narrowminded nonsense pretty much invalidates anything worthwhile you may have had to say.

The opposite of narrow minded, shows how much more open one becomes with maturity to the variations and different aspects of life. I couldn't take 20 more years of the modern metal scene which seems to either be angry people, or people that don't know how to handle their emotions.

No great fan of the band, but I can't deny that they were something special. Yes, he has made mistakes, but he doesn't ask to be in the press all the time.

They just can't win, people like J Page aren't recording or releasing anything really, so people complain that he has had more sig guitars in the last 10 years than songs, whereas we are complaining about this fella releasing utter cr@p for the past few decades (or however long it is :P )

[nfe]

When some of you have got older and the metal thing starts to subside somewhat and then the you may get the beatles.

Sorry, but this narrowminded nonsense pretty much invalidates anything worthwhile you may have had to say.

The opposite of narrow minded, shows how much more open one becomes with maturity to the variations and different aspects of life. I couldn't take 20 more years of the modern metal scene which seems to either be angry people, or people that don't know how to handle their emotions.

The mainstream metal scene yes, but there are endless fantastic acts out there if someone makes an effort to look for them.

My real point though, was that almost every single person I know who is into metal (and I mean REALLY into metal, not folks that read Kerrang and follow their lead and nothing more, people that actually seek out new music and support the scene) generally have enormously varied tastes.

What Johnny appears to be saying is that all metal is childs nonsense which you grow out of when you get taste and listen to proper music. Which is certainly narrowminded.

[Twinfan]

What Johnny appears to be saying is that all metal is childs nonsense which you grow out of when you get taste and listen to proper music. Which is certainly narrowminded.

I think that's a big conclusion you're jumping to there.  I interpreted the post along the lines of "as you get older your taste in music mellows out somewhat and you may like the Beatles then".  Perfectly reasonable suggestion to me?

[nfe]

What Johnny appears to be saying is that all metal is childs nonsense which you grow out of when you get taste and listen to proper music. Which is certainly narrowminded.

I think that's a big conclusion you're jumping to there.  I interpreted the post along the lines of "as you get older your taste in music mellows out somewhat and you may like the Beatles then".  Perfectly reasonable suggestion to me?

Yeah possibly, that's how I read it though, maybe I'm just too used to being told that I'll grow out of it  :lol:

[MDV]

When some of you have got older and the metal thing starts to subside somewhat and then the you may get the beatles.

Sorry, but this narrowminded nonsense pretty much invalidates anything worthwhile you may have had to say.

The opposite of narrow minded, shows how much more open one becomes with maturity to the variations and different aspects of life. I couldn't take 20 more years of the modern metal scene which seems to either be angry people, or people that don't know how to handle their emotions.

The mainstream metal scene yes, but there are endless fantastic acts out there if someone makes an effort to look for them.

My real point though, was that almost every single person I know who is into metal (and I mean REALLY into metal, not folks that read Kerrang and follow their lead and nothing more, people that actually seek out new music and support the scene) generally have enormously varied tastes.

Thats my experience too, by and large, too. People that I know that listen to metal (there are quite a few) also, between them, listen to:

Jazz
Blues
Rock
Classical
Hip hop
Pop
Folk
Punk
Ska
Post rock
Grunge
Indie
Prog
Dance
Trance

And most like several of these (I'd stick my name next to 5 or 6)

[MDV]

What Johnny appears to be saying is that all metal is childs nonsense which you grow out of when you get taste and listen to proper music. Which is certainly narrowminded.

I think that's a big conclusion you're jumping to there.  I interpreted the post along the lines of "as you get older your taste in music mellows out somewhat and you may like the Beatles then".  Perfectly reasonable suggestion to me?

 :!:

Quite possibly

but

When some of you have got older and the metal thing starts to subside somewhat and then the you may get the beatles

Can be easily interpreted as immaturity (when you get older) and bias toward metal actively preventing you from liking other music (the metal thing subsides = allows other music in).

Obviously I dont want to put words in jonnys mouth, but thats how it looked at first glance to me.

Hopefully Jonny will clarify.

[Johnny Mac]

Now now lads play nicely!

I didn't mean cos you listen to metal your immature.
Someone hit upon it, the anger thing does subside a lot plus your life experiences and who you meet will introduce you to other styles of music. I like some heavy metal but I'm not naive enough to come on a guitar players forum and start running down The Beatles and Paul McCartney as that is immature IMO and it's just resentment. He and his band put Britain on the world map as far as Music is concerned and all the other bands and styles owe them that.
Just have a listen to some of their music, be honest, is it really that shite that you have to post your opinions about it in here when you know it's going to offend other forum members? There are lots bands out that I can think of that really are terrible and deserve to be slagged off, but not The Beatles, no way.
Not to be compared with Oasis either.

I mean my sig does suggest somewhat that I do like Metal and playing it on my guitars!  :roll:

[Kilby]

When some of you have got older and the metal thing starts to subside somewhat and then the you may get the beatles.

Sorry, but this narrowminded nonsense pretty much invalidates anything worthwhile you may have had to say.

I believe the implication is that ones taste broadens and you get a greater appreciation of other styles of music.

Some people leave metal behind and others don't but thats up to the individual.

I do find this thread is a depressing thread, although I have no liking for McCartney a little research regarding pre Beatles popular music will sho how much they changed things. Popular music got smarter both musically and regarding subject matter.

Thats wasn't solely down to the prefab four, but they did most of the donkey work at the time.

The Beatles where definately more than I want to hold your hand and the ballads (as Revolver and the White Album demonstrate).

Anyway I'm tired of people looking to be offended (and to be honest who need to broaden their musical horizons)

[Johnny Mac]

^ Before the beatles the songs in 'The Hit Parade' were 'K Sa rah Sa rah' ect so being young and hating that kind of cr@p, you can see why the beatles were so popular.


It's all relative as in years to come people will slag off stuff that people listen to now and write it all off as shitee.

[MDV]

Now now lads play nicely!

I didn't mean cos you listen to metal your immature.
Someone hit upon it, the anger thing does subside a lot plus your life experiences and who you meet will introduce you to other styles of music. I like some heavy metal but I'm not naive enough to come on a guitar players forum and start running down The Beatles and Paul McCartney as that is immature IMO and it's just resentment. He and his band put Britain on the world map as far as Music is concerned and all the other bands and styles owe them that.
Just have a listen to some of their music, be honest, is it really that shitee that you have to post your opinions about it in here when you know it's going to offend other forum members? There are lots bands out that I can think of that really are terrible and deserve to be slagged off, but not The Beatles, no way.
Not to be compared with Oasis either.

I mean my sig does suggest somewhat that I do like Metal and playing it on my guitars!  :roll:

Well, making a thread to slag off mccartney is fairly bad form, but there are two ways you can look at that:

1: Ignorance of musical and cultural contribution.

2: Personal taste of the OP.

Or combination thereof.

I'm not a beatles fan personally, and can see where hes coming from: a dislike of the beatles without acknowledging their contribution and influence.

Theres nothing whatsoever you can say about the former. You cant offer a post-dated cheque of "maybe you WILL like it", and you cant tell the person to like it (well, you can tell them if you want, but it wont work). But you can point out that its a pretty ignorant statement. The way I see it; I dont like the beatles music, but much of what I listen to lives in the wake of everything that they have done, so the beatles themselves get something of a free pass.

[Johnny Mac]

Now now lads play nicely!

I didn't mean cos you listen to metal your immature.
Someone hit upon it, the anger thing does subside a lot plus your life experiences and who you meet will introduce you to other styles of music. I like some heavy metal but I'm not naive enough to come on a guitar players forum and start running down The Beatles and Paul McCartney as that is immature IMO and it's just resentment. He and his band put Britain on the world map as far as Music is concerned and all the other bands and styles owe them that.
Just have a listen to some of their music, be honest, is it really that shitee that you have to post your opinions about it in here when you know it's going to offend other forum members? There are lots bands out that I can think of that really are terrible and deserve to be slagged off, but not The Beatles, no way.
Not to be compared with Oasis either.

I mean my sig does suggest somewhat that I do like Metal and playing it on my guitars!  :roll:

Well, making a thread to slag off mccartney is fairly bad form, but there are two ways you can look at that:

1: Ignorance of musical and cultural contribution.

2: Personal taste of the OP.

Or combination thereof.

I'm not a beatles fan personally, and can see where hes coming from: a dislike of the beatles without acknowledging their contribution and influence.

Theres nothing whatsoever you can say about the former. You cant offer a post-dated cheque of "maybe you WILL like it", and you cant tell the person to like it (well, you can tell them if you want, but it wont work). But you can point out that its a pretty ignorant statement. The way I see it; I dont like the beatles music, but much of what I listen to lives in the wake of everything that they have done, so the beatles themselves get something of a free pass.

I realise you can't make people like the beatles but to slag of McCartney and mock him is just naive in the extreme and I would also say they don't really understand music or its roots and history.