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« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2008, 02:25:25 PM »
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oh, i'm fine on guitars with a locking nut, it's the ones without which are the problem.

Why does the locking nut make any difference when it's the same type of tuner?  :?

Do you string up, get it roughly in tune then clamp it quick before the high E falls off its tuner?  :lol:
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« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2008, 02:34:19 PM »
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I am completely lost in reading that Philly. I just want to replace the die-cast tuners in my Ibanez without having to do any extra drilling, lol..

:lol:  Show us a picture of the back of the headstock.

I'd guess you'd be fine with Gotohs, Planet Waves or some Schallers, you'd definitely need to drill to fit Sperzels.

Do you want locking ones?

Think locking would be a bit pointless if the locking nut was present? Aren't they more expensive?

I was thinking Planet Waves, since it makes it easier on the re-stringing.

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« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2008, 02:48:43 PM »
i'm a big fan of the planet waves ones although its sometimes difficult to trim the string with thicker gauges

this year i have mostly been using sperzels - relatively lightweight and quite customisable... i like that the tuner can be taken apart and swapped for left handed and the shaft feels really solid  with no wiggle... the planet waves also have very little wiggle

nobody likes a wiggly shaft!!!

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« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2008, 03:12:24 PM »
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Think locking would be a bit pointless if the locking nut was present? Aren't they more expensive?

I was thinking Planet Waves, since it makes it easier on the re-stringing.

Planet Waves are locking!!  :lol:  

http://www.planetwaves.com/ptoolsdetails.aspx?ID=5

Looking at your pic, those are the type with no set screw, so they're probably held in place by a pin as I tried to describe.  These Wilkinsons might fit:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/6-in-line-Wilkinson-chrom-locking-guitar-tuners-No-3or4_W0QQitemZ140207733046QQihZ004QQcategoryZ22672QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

I don't know if they'll be any better than what you have already, though.  For most other tuners, you'd need to drill holes for the set-screws - for example:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/6-in-line-Wilkinson-chrome-locking-guitar-tuners-No-2_W0QQitemZ140232876548QQihZ004QQcategoryZ22672QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262
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« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2008, 03:47:16 PM »
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i'm a big fan of the planet waves ones although its sometimes difficult to trim the string with thicker gauges

this year i have mostly been using sperzels - relatively lightweight and quite customisable... i like that the tuner can be taken apart and swapped for left handed and the shaft feels really solid  with no wiggle... the planet waves also have very little wiggle

nobody likes a wiggly shaft!!!


I prefer Sperzels myself

The planet waves ones are good too but a pain in the arse if you are doing tech work and need to take the strings off again to make adjustments
You have to use a new set of strings each time!
You might go through 6 sets of strings on a tricky job- argh!

But they are pretty stable otherwise
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« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2008, 04:39:37 PM »
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The planet waves ones are good too but a pain in the arse if you are doing tech work and need to take the strings off again to make adjustments
You have to use a new set of strings each time!
You might go through 6 sets of strings on a tricky job- argh!

But they are pretty stable otherwise


I found this also, when replacing pickups in a strat and messing about with switching I had to pull the scratchplate off and on a lot. Found a cool way of getting round it.

Instead of pulling the string through and tightening it while taught, put it through then give it a few cm of slack. Then tighten up the screw and turn till it clips. Gives you a slight bit of extra string on the post, still locked and when taking them off you can pull it a bit tighter and snip the end off when tuning up next. Bloody hard to explain in text...
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« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2008, 05:03:11 PM »
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Think locking would be a bit pointless if the locking nut was present? Aren't they more expensive?

I was thinking Planet Waves, since it makes it easier on the re-stringing.

Planet Waves are locking!!  :lol:  

http://www.planetwaves.com/ptoolsdetails.aspx?ID=5

Looking at your pic, those are the type with no set screw, so they're probably held in place by a pin as I tried to describe.  These Wilkinsons might fit:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/6-in-line-Wilkinson-chrom-locking-guitar-tuners-No-3or4_W0QQitemZ140207733046QQihZ004QQcategoryZ22672QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

I don't know if they'll be any better than what you have already, though.  For most other tuners, you'd need to drill holes for the set-screws - for example:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/6-in-line-Wilkinson-chrome-locking-guitar-tuners-No-2_W0QQitemZ140232876548QQihZ004QQcategoryZ22672QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

Oh dear. I kind of contrdicted myself there.

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« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2008, 06:23:56 PM »
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Oh dear. I kind of contrdicted myself there.

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Bad time to make any decisions you might regret later!  :wink:

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« Reply #38 on: June 08, 2008, 08:11:30 PM »
Only had experience with schaller locking tuners and sperzel locking tuners.
I liked the schallers better because of the weight!!!
the sperzels just feel kind of cheap compared to the schallers, + the superior turn ratio of the schallers makes precise tuning easier for me.
And I believe the extra weight at the headstock increases the overall sustain of the instrument (might be another guitar voodoo thing but I still believe in it, because guitar tone is all about guitar voodoo  :lol: )
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« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2008, 09:24:18 AM »
Too much talk of Sperzel and Waves here :)

My faves: LSR gearless tuners. 40:1 ration (or something like that). These are locking micro-machine tuners with a linear pull. (micrometer like action).

Some people find them ugly but I find them pretty cool extremely practical - once an initial learning time has been experienced. They work wonderfully and have enabled me to remove the string trees from my strat (behind the nut bends) and have given me unprecedented tuning stability despite a floating vintage trem.

 Well worth checking out.

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« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2008, 11:42:58 AM »
I use Gotoh 381 on my Floyd guitars. Stiff to turn yes, but that's the feel of quality. Superb machineheads, can't fault them.
I have Sperzels on my Fly Mojo (no locking nut), and they are excellent too.

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« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2008, 12:09:29 PM »
I have Sperzel locking tuners, and my guitar rarely goes out of tune, and when it does it is only ever an extremley tiny change in pitch that most people wouldn't be able to hear. It stay's in tune sometimes perfectly for over a month.
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« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2008, 07:02:32 PM »
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I have Sperzel locking tuners, and my guitar rarely goes out of tune, and when it does it is only ever an extremley tiny change in pitch that most people wouldn't be able to hear. It stay's in tune sometimes perfectly for over a month.


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« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2008, 08:32:09 PM »
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Why does the locking nut make any difference when it's the same type of tuner?  :?

Do you string up, get it roughly in tune then clamp it quick before the high E falls off its tuner?  :lol:


i think so, yeah.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: problem with having your first (and second!) guitar with a locking nut, you never learn properly, then it's too late to ask and it's embarrassing... :lol:

i think i've got it sorted now, anyway. :)

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« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2008, 02:33:54 PM »
In my humble opinion the Gotoh 510 tuner is probably the highest quality tuner on the market right now. Not everybody likes the rounded smooth very Japanese styling of them but they are incredibly smooth and come in two different gear ratios. Personally I've had some real quality issues with Sperzels and have sent several sets back with bits missing or rough gears.
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