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JDC

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« on: June 14, 2008, 11:42:03 PM »
since I learnt to play fast from michael angelo batio's speed kills I've usually been using all 4 fingers in my mental scale run solo stuff high up the fretboard but for some reason, I recently accidentally found out if I angle my hand slightly I can do it just as well with 3 fingers, now I dunno which I prefer

so do you guys prefer 3 or 4 fingers high up on the fretboard?

ps since I got new string on I'm doing 4 hour shred sessions :)

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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2008, 11:53:47 PM »
Depends on your style and shape of hands I think.
I've got Jason Becker's DVD and he uses 1st, 2nd and 3rd on a lot of his fast runs.
But then Paul Gilbert often relies on his 1st, 3rd and 4th finger usually using his 3rd when most people would use their 2nd

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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2008, 12:07:34 AM »
Jason Becker is a guitar master. So sad what happened (ALS) and having experienced it first hand, I can sympathise for him and his family. I tend to use 3 fingers cos 4 gets a tad cramped!!

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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2008, 09:57:19 AM »
I've never bought tutorial DVDs...  what are they like?  Presumably they vary in quality...
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2008, 11:43:04 AM »
I don't 'shred' , - more a daily quest to improve general dexterity, but it's four fingers every time for me.

I picked it up off of the 'one fret per finger  rule ' guys like B.B.King, Larry Carlton - and other jazz infuenced  precise players.  I find the discipline of that ( and trying to keep the thumb in line with the back of the neck / not letting the edge of the little finger touch the edge of the fretboard e.t.c.) keeps me mentally focused - and my movements economic.  :)

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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2008, 12:04:42 PM »
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I've never bought tutorial DVDs...  what are they like?  Presumably they vary in quality...


I've seen a fair number.
Paul Gilbert's were all excellent and generally light hearted and entertaining.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YvsOKTPaks&feature=related

Some are v dull

some are v scary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhpHKePY9O8

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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2008, 01:07:02 PM »
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I tend to use 3 fingers cos 4 gets a tad cramped!!


Same here, although I often use the first, third and fourth fingers when I'm not at the heel.
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2008, 01:43:32 PM »
Dear God, that Becker clip WAS scary!!!
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2008, 06:33:46 PM »
I use the "one finger per fret" rule as a basic guideline but occasionally I step out of that when the shapes played are more out-of-the-box. For standard 3 notes per string shapes, I'm a 4-finger pinky fanatic. I don't see why people learn to ignore the pinky. You have 4 fingers (and a thumb), use them. "Jimmy Page did it" is not an excuse.

See what Mr. Shred Durst has to say about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhGRzl5WFYg
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2008, 06:54:21 PM »
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I use the "one finger per fret" rule as a basic guideline but occasionally I step out of that when the shapes played are more out-of-the-box. For standard 3 notes per string shapes, I'm a 4-finger pinky fanatic. I don't see why people learn to ignore the pinky. You have 4 fingers (and a thumb), use them. "Jimmy Page did it" is not an excuse.


Me too, I usually do excessive exercises with little finger. Usually Zakk box patterns played with 2nd and 4th.
Although I think I have a bit more respect for JP than you :P
But it does get irritating when people use that as an excuse

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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2008, 07:00:05 PM »
Quote from: ilyti
I use the "one finger per fret" rule as a basic guideline but occasionally I step out of that when the shapes played are more out-of-the-box. For standard 3 notes per string shapes, I'm a 4-finger pinky fanatic. I don't see why people learn to ignore the pinky. You have 4 fingers (and a thumb), use them. "Jimmy Page did it" is not an excuse.

See what Mr. Shred Durst has to say about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhGRzl5WFYg


Nice post Ilyti  :)

The alternating picking being another favourite of mine.  I was warmly amused as to how  Mr.Durst's vocal presentaion varies slightly from Larry Carlton's on his free web lessons '335 T.V. ' e.t.c.  :lol:

During practice, I will sometimes lift the first finger off the fretboard altogether - and concentrate on those 3 fret patterns/phrases/moves with the remaing three .  I find that lifting the first finger ( instead of  just leaving it there but not using it ) - removes a reference point and some leverage - and so makes  the muscles in the other fingers have to work harder for a while. It is a seemingly subtle difference,  but when I then put the first finger  back in place again the overall effect seems improved.

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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2008, 07:07:57 PM »
Can't really shred, and I've not had one lesson in my 14 years ('anniversary' was last week) of playing, but I've always used my little finger for sololing. For me, there's 2 reasons - when I was starting out, I was (and still am) a huge fan of Satch an Vai, and they always used their pinkies in the vids I saw. Therefore my 13-year-old brain reasoned that if i was ever going to be as good as them (yeah, right  :roll: ) I'd have to use my pinky. The other reason was a good mate who started playing around the same time, who put his pinky under the fretboard, much like this, and always struggled to reposition it for lead playing:

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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2008, 07:11:27 PM »
That picture made me shiver. Please link it and put a warning.
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2008, 08:07:01 PM »
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That picture made me shiver. Please link it and put a warning.


Hahaha! What's worse is my friend played like that for 5 years. Took him ages after he realised what he was doing to break the habit. I could never understand it - it's so b@stard uncomfortable!
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