Author Topic: BK Humbuckers specially for solid state amps? (Read 7129 times)

Fourth Feline · « **Reply #15 on:** June 20, 2008, 07:05:30 PM »

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2) I read somewhere that a current 'Metal' player ( who's name escapes me ) likes the ultra quick response he gets from a solid state power stage. I gather from this that a reallly tight, high gain B.K.P would sound deadly through your Randall. Your existing 'Miracle Man' bridge pickup should be a taste of things to come !

Dime used to play through a Randall Warhead (or several!!), which are solid state. Unfortunately, he never came across BKPs, or there would be no-one out there bashing his "tone", which a lot of people do now! (but you can't knock the guy's skills, truly an inspiration to many!).

I digress.

Roo

Thanks for that clarification :)

It is ( as you said ) the music that remains valid. Tone ( which is subjective anyway ) being a lovely bonus - but there are a lot of critics / gear snobs out there that cannot play a note.

I recall 'Twinfan' getting mocked at the occasional gig for his old Laney 'Klipp' amp head , when in truth they are a great sounding amp . With another,more 'fashionable' badge on - they could be 'boutique'.

At one time, smooth Jazz players would swear by their 'Polytone' combo - a solid state source of beautifull Jazz tone.

And before anyone knocks Dime, Zakk liked what he did, so who are we to argue ?

Anyhow, back to the original point of Rich's thread .... :roll:

Rich78 · « **Reply #16 on:** June 20, 2008, 07:15:37 PM »

Noone will knock Dime. He was the king and the good guy of metal.

RIP Dime.

dave_mc · « **Reply #17 on:** June 20, 2008, 08:45:38 PM »

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Cheers dave_mc. Its all academic cos I cant afford a valve amp anyway.

no worries, good luck in your search. :)

Will · « **Reply #18 on:** June 20, 2008, 09:38:39 PM »

On the note of Dimes' tone, I think he dialed it in that way, as he wanted such an aggressive sound. Listening to it, its not my kind of thing, but it fits the music PERFECTLY, and I like the outcome.

ACK! · « **Reply #19 on:** June 20, 2008, 09:45:10 PM »

That's interesting, I 've never really heard anybody slagging Dime's tone. Furthermore, it seems to be a tone that plenty of people try to emulate! :roll:

ilÿti · « **Reply #20 on:** June 20, 2008, 10:44:36 PM »

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That's interesting, I 've never really heard anybody slagging Dime's tone.

You haven't been looking hard enough. I've slagged Dimes tone in the past, I am slagging it now (Dime had horrible tone), and I will slag it again. Anyone who's willing to hear my opinion about his songwriting and playing is welcome too, but that's not for the faint of heart.

Elliot · « **Reply #21 on:** June 20, 2008, 11:01:22 PM »

OK you didn't like DD (fair enough, nor do I, but then I depise all things metal) but was his tone deficit (in your and my O) due to using solid state amps or just too much soul sucking distortion? But, you know, as guitarists with different tastes we have to learn tolerance - I love modern Fender valve amps, it seems there are about 2 others on this board who agree with me and 1000 who don't - horses for courses, I say :)

I have an old Session Rocket - its a SS amp yet has great vintage Marshall/Fender Blackface (depending on channel) tone - I wouldn't worry about pickups for SS - just go for the gain level/tone you like and play with the controls.

Philly Q · « **Reply #22 on:** June 21, 2008, 12:39:44 AM »

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That's interesting, I 've never really heard anybody slagging Dime's tone.

You haven't been looking hard enough. I've slagged Dimes tone in the past, I am slagging it now (Dime had horrible tone), and I will slag it again. Anyone who's willing to hear my opinion about his songwriting and playing is welcome too, but that's not for the faint of heart.

Next you'll be telling us you didn't like his novelty beard, his camo shorts or his Kiss tattoo...

(FWIW, I thought he and Pantera were amazing, despite all their flaws)

ilÿti · « **Reply #23 on:** June 21, 2008, 01:54:25 AM »

I liked his beard.

ericsabbath · « **Reply #24 on:** June 21, 2008, 03:01:09 AM »

I play a lot of pantera in one of my bands and I love the miracle man thru tubes, but thru solid state, the holy diver does the job a lot better, specially on the leads

ps: Dime tones on Pantera wasn't the Warhead, but only the 80's RG100ES and RG100HT (rackmounted) and the early 90's Randall Century 200
he only used the Warhead (and the Cyclone) to record Damageplan
the Warhead sucks really bad, IMO
I played the Randall Titan, which is a simple version of the Warhead and Cyclone without the digital effects and graphic EQ, and it was a huge deception, as the MXR Dime Distortion pedal I had sounded 10x better and closer to his tone

ericsabbath · « **Reply #25 on:** June 21, 2008, 04:12:40 AM »

i recorded these short clips today using the MSN messenger voice message function (F2)
MiJ les paul copy + miracle man + mxr wylde overdrive (gain rolled off) + peavey rockmaster preamp (gain on 5) + framus cobra power amp section (4xEL34) + cobra cab (greenbacks) and my ultra cr@ppy pc mic

hurricanelespaul_bkmiracleman_mxrwyldeod_peaveyrockmasterpreamp_framuscobrapower_celestiongreenbacks_pcmic.rar

Rich78 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 21, 2008, 08:22:34 AM »

Will. Yeah he dialed it in that way. Early stuff he scooped most or all of the mids. Later stuff with Damageplan he had more mids and lower tunings...
I think he boosted the treble and bass with an equalizer too...

Ack! We try to yes. Ive kinda cracked it... kinda.

ilyti. What are you into?

Cheers Elliot.

Eric Hellstyle the recordings are brilliant. Cheers for that.
Taken the advise about the Holy Diver...

gwEm · « **Reply #27 on:** June 21, 2008, 08:51:19 AM »

sometimes its nice to have a solid state sound for the punk music i make...

maybe i prefer more open and less bassy pickups for solid state - never thought about it before though.

ACK! · « **Reply #28 on:** June 21, 2008, 05:18:19 PM »

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Will. Yeah he dialed it in that way. Early stuff he scooped most or all of the mids. Later stuff with Damageplan he had more mids and lower tunings...
I think he boosted the treble and bass with an equalizer too...

Ack! We try to yes. Ive kinda cracked it... kinda.

ilyti. What are you into?

Cheers Elliot.

Eric Hellstyle the recordings are brilliant. Cheers for that.
Taken the advise about the Holy Diver...

Yeah, he used the old blue MXR EQ pedal. I want to say he also ran another distortion box as well in addition to the gain on his amp...I beleive that was a MXR of some sort as well. But it def wasn't all out of his amp head alone. He didn't really quit using alot of extra stuff until he got with Krank amps.

_tom_ · « **Reply #29 on:** June 21, 2008, 05:22:05 PM »

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On the note of Dimes' tone, I think he dialed it in that way, as he wanted such an aggressive sound. Listening to it, its not my kind of thing, but it fits the music PERFECTLY, and I like the outcome.

Yeah, I cant imagine Pantera any other way :D I preferred it as time went on though, the tone on later albums is much bigger and better to my ears :)