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kellar

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Effects advice
« on: July 24, 2008, 04:28:57 PM »
I need a little advice here. I am looking to buy a multieffects/modeler unit for home use, mainly for recording and jamming out at home. Problem is, I have no idea what is worth buying. I was thinking that a Line 6 Pod might be perfect, but I have never even tried one out. Not to mention, what is the difference between the pocket pod, 2.0, etc?
Basically, I am looking for something at a decent price, around 100 euros or less. It does not have to be a big crazy unit with a whole bunch of cr@p on it that I will never use. I just want something that can give me great tone so that I can do some quality recording.
I will likely be playing into my computer. The only amp I have right now is my Cube 20X, and I am not even sure if I can play it through that. So, I will likely be playing it through my computer speakers. Of course, being able to use headphones with it is also essential.
So, any suggestions?? :P :P
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Re: Effects advice
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2008, 05:06:41 PM »
in your price range, the good sounding easy to use Vox ToneLab Desktop might seem tempting... but DON'T DO IT!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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Re: Effects advice
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2008, 05:07:53 PM »
Behringer V-Amp 2??

I had one and I could get some cool tones out of it on my computer

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Re: Effects advice
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2008, 05:13:45 PM »
in your price range, the good sounding easy to use Vox ToneLab Desktop might seem tempting... but DON'T DO IT!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I am guessing that the VOX has some issues? I think I read your post a few days ago.
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Re: Effects advice
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2008, 05:16:34 PM »
in your price range, the good sounding easy to use Vox ToneLab Desktop might seem tempting... but DON'T DO IT!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I am guessing that the VOX has some issues? I think I read your post a few days ago.
Exactly, I had some reliability issues. After some research it seems I am not alone with this model.
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Re: Effects advice
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2008, 05:31:47 PM »
I will heed your advice and stay away from the Vox!  :lol:
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Re: Effects advice
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2008, 05:52:17 PM »
I think the Pocket Pod sounds ideal.

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Re: Effects advice
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2008, 07:03:18 PM »
That's what i was leaning towards Twinfan, but what's the difference between the different POD models?
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Re: Effects advice
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2008, 07:22:48 PM »
I've got a POD 2.0, I think you can still get them. It's not bad, it introduced me to modelling, and blew my mind at what you can do without an amp when I first got it.
It's got line outs, headphone, and midi. If your soundcard/wotever has midi, you can use the edit program for tone management- much easier than using the knobs).

Last time I was on the Line6 forums, there still seemed to be Line6ers that still prefer the old POD 2.0 sounds.

I've also got a POD XTLive, I've never used the POD 2.0 since I got it, I much prefer the XT tones. The XTlive is the floor version of the XT and has lineouts, headphone and usb (you can record direct through this, though I've never tried it, and use the edit program for tones) it also has a Variax connection which is why I got it.

I didn't upgrade to the X3Live when it came out, nor do I know whether you can still get the XTLive and if it's price came down.

When the Pocket POD came out, quite a lot of Line6ers were a bit miffed at it. They felt it was a bit plasticky, and a backwards step - I understand it's got the POD 2.0 architecture, and therefore the POD 2.0 tones. Not sure what ins and outs it's got, but it must have lineout and headphones at least! I don't even know how much it costs.

Line6 also have options where your PC ends up being the actual modeller - same models as the XT architecture I believe. Never checked those out though, I wanted a stand alone unit to plug into a desk and studio monitors.

Finally, I moved to a VOX Tonelab LE. This is the next generation on from the SE (of which the Desktop was a "desktop" version). As far as I'm aware, you can't get the SE/Desktop new anymore. I've had the LE, which is a floor unit for a couple of months. I got it for £179 new, and I haven't switched on a Line6 unit since!!

The Vox has less amp/cab models than Line6's XT, and therefore is a lot easier to use from the outset.

They all need a fair amount of effort on your part to learn how to get the best out of them, but they all make usable sounds - the VOX quite quickly for me (but that might be because I'd already learnt one modeller). If you give any a try out, don't go by the presets: the presets on all of them are utter @rse!!! More so on the VOX I'd say - but it's all personal taste isn't it?  :lol:

With the current offerings from both Line6 and Vox, if I had to choose, I'd take the VOX, definitely, it sounds more alive and responsive to me. I personally wouldn't buy any of them second hand though - and that's been reinforced for me by the woes that gWem has been through recently :(. But do bear in mind that the VOX you can buy now is not the one that was having the probs...

Hope that helps a bit... :D
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Re: Effects advice
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2008, 07:31:05 PM »
yeah will go with that have had pod stuff xt etc..great but a bit of a jack of all trades,
VOX LE lthe sounds are far more natural sounding, pod ended up sounding a bit digital in comparison.
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Re: Effects advice
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2008, 07:35:20 PM »
Great info Andy and exactly what I needed to know. :D

A floor unit is a bit more than I actually need and far from what I am willing to spend. I am leaning heavily on a pocket pod right now. It seems to be the same as the 2.0, just smaller. For 99 Euros, it won't set me back anyway. I just need a desktop unit that sounds decent to hook up to my laptop.
Being that everyone seems to agree that the Vox sounds better, I certainly wish they had a desktop unit like the pocket pod. (At least one that doesn't break) :(

Thanks!!
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Re: Effects advice
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2008, 07:57:06 PM »
They do but is £159 slightly more than a pocket pod size *L*
http://www.dv247.com/invt/53114/
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Re: Effects advice
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2008, 08:12:38 PM »
Thanks, but just a bit more than what I am willing to spend. Actually, quite a bit more. :lol:
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Re: Effects advice
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2008, 08:30:06 PM »
Do you want a modeller + FX all in one?
If not, there is the TC electronics G (which one !) Major I think. on offer @ Thomann recently.
Then you can record from cube?

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Re: Effects advice
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2008, 08:34:37 PM »
Yeah, pretty much looking for modeling and effects. I will check out the Thomann website though.  Thanks.
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