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applying headstock decals
« on: August 02, 2008, 04:29:26 PM »
i don't like the idea of using fake fender decals on a parts-caster, so i'll get "fecker" ones if i can - any idea of a source?

anyway i found these instructions on applying decals at axes r us:

http://www.axesrus.com/DECAL.htm

some further questions regarding this..

* do people prefer the first way, or the 'easy way' referred to at the end of the text?
* whats a good laquer to use?
* what gauge of wet and dry should i use to sand it down?
* do i need to strip my headstock of finish first?

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Re: applying headstock decals
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2008, 10:20:26 PM »
I haven't actually used them, but this looks a good place for decals:

http://www.thedecalshop.co.uk/

They have a finishing guide, too, at the bottom of the page.
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Re: applying headstock decals
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2008, 11:41:16 PM »
I haven't actually used them, but this looks a good place for decals:

http://www.thedecalshop.co.uk/

They have a finishing guide, too, at the bottom of the page.

yes! very good phil, that finishing guide...
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Re: applying headstock decals
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2008, 11:50:17 PM »
I found that site because I'm thinking of refinishing the headstock on my Inca Silver Strat - I've always thought rosewood-neck Strats look better with colour-matched headstocks (unless they're sunbursts, of course!).
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Re: applying headstock decals
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2008, 12:17:50 PM »
I've always thought rosewood-neck Strats look better with colour-matched headstocks

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Nope, have to disagree with you there :lol:

In fact, for me, it would be an utter deal breaker on a strat that was otherwise perfect (even a "free" strat - it would be that bad!)
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Re: applying headstock decals
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2008, 01:52:42 PM »
I've always thought rosewood-neck Strats look better with colour-matched headstocks

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Nope, have to disagree with you there :lol:

In fact, for me, it would be an utter deal breaker on a strat that was otherwise perfect (even a "free" strat - it would be that bad!)

 :o You can't tell me this would look better with a maple headstock!

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Re: applying headstock decals
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2008, 02:04:51 PM »
'fraid so, yes :lol:

It doesn't look quite so bad from the front in that colour, but I'd find the clash with the maple edge of the headstock a bit upsetting.

If the entire maple of the neck was lacquered, that wouldn't be so bad - would seem mighty odd though...
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Re: applying headstock decals
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2008, 05:28:29 PM »
Matched headstocks ftw!!

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Re: applying headstock decals
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2008, 05:51:18 PM »
Hi gWem,  this is the guy who sells the 'Fecker' decals http://myworld.ebay.com/plankspanker101. His name is Glen Ellard and his email address is artyfarty1@blueyonder.co.uk.
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Re: applying headstock decals
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2008, 09:11:26 PM »
Supporting Mr Philly Q!
Black strat with rosewood fingerboard and maple neck is the ugliest thing of the world :(
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Re: applying headstock decals
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2008, 09:14:14 PM »
But a black Strat with a rosewood fingerboard and a black headstock (and a black scratchplate) is beautiful!

Strange, isn't it?  :D
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Re: applying headstock decals
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2008, 09:23:52 PM »
But a black Strat with a rosewood fingerboard and a black headstock (and a black scratchplate) is beautiful!
Strange, isn't it?  :D
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Re: applying headstock decals
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2008, 09:44:42 PM »
* do people prefer the first way, or the 'easy way' referred to at the end of the text?
* whats a good laquer to use?
* what gauge of wet and dry should i use to sand it down?
* do i need to strip my headstock of finish first?

1, definately the first way. french polish is more of an 'easy when you know how' kind of finish and being rubbed on can drag the ink off the decal

2, Unless you have the spray equipment i would say go for a can of clear lacquer from halfords but be aware that it contains a lot of thinners so doesnt build up very well and takes longer to dry. If you want nitro you can get it in cans here and this stiuff is nicer to work with:
http://www.manchesterguitartech.co.uk/lacquer.html
Be aware of not doing more than 3 coats a day with either of those because it prevents the previous layers from curing and can take much longer. waterslide decals are thinner than vinyl ones so you can build the lacquer over them easier but the doenside is sometimes the clear section of decal can be seen as a slightly different colour.

also, start with a dusting of spray to lock the lacquer in place and keep it light like that for the first day - otherwise the decal will run

3, get a multi pack of finishing paper from somewhere like halfords  - avoid sanding the edges and be gentle - start with something like 600grit wet and dry lubricated with a tiny amount of washing up liquid in some water.  might be best to use higher grits and go slower at first

4, it really depends on compatability with the finish thats on there but if its fender style stuff and not vintage you can usually get away with lightly sanding the old lacquer with 240grit to give it a nice key for the new coats.  certainly ok with the halfords stuff but test somewhere first




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Re: applying headstock decals
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2008, 09:54:56 PM »
Is it generally safe to use acrylic lacquer over nitro, or nitro over polyurethane (etc)?

I notice Manchester Guitar Tech have Inca Silver nitro, but I wouldn't want to use nitro for the clear coats as I know it'll yellow with age, but the poly on the body won't.
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Re: applying headstock decals
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2008, 10:17:50 PM »
i'm recovering from a heavy weekend and cant quite remember which combo's work and which dont but we usually end up testing it somewhere you wont see it first.  on a fender style neck you can take the neck off and test it on the heel.  always worth having a spare decal as well

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