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Re: Kung Fu V Tae Kwon Do!!
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2008, 10:59:00 AM »
I thought the Afghan's reactions were lighting fast.

All this talk about sparring not being effective in a real fight for and against, well for me here's the reality of a real fight in GB. Pubs and alcohol being the fuel that causes them and the chavs who indulge in this sort of thing more than other members of society. Realistically all anyone would have to do to avoid being hit is footwork and the odd dodge, within a minute they will be out of breath. You could if you felt like it say 'finish him' like that voice in the game and do the prick with a roundhouse kick but really all you would have to do i walk off.

So what are you going to do about his mates who are watching all this kick off? While you're concentrating on dodging Darren from the estate with you best come dancing footwork, they are most likely going to be pummelling you from behind.

I agree with you that booze is the likely cause of most rucks out in the streets. Best thing is to try not to put yourself in a situation where something like this can happen to you. But then hiding away for most of your life is not an option as well.

Whatever you do, don't punch someone in the mouth going for their teeth. Shattered teeth are like $%&#ing razors, do you really want your knuckles cut to shreds and their saliva/blood all over those cuts?

Also I never said sparring doesn't increase your skills. I think it's an essential part of the training, along with the basics and the katas, forms, call them what you will. My point is that it needs to feel real. If you're feeling comfortable and not threatened, then you may be conditioning you body to do the moves and react, but in no way are you preparing your mind for a real confrontation. I'm not saying you should get smacked as hard as possible (if that was the case, people would be forever injured), but your sparring partner(s) should make sure you know that you missed the block, otherwise you're not going to learn.

 
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Re: Kung Fu V Tae Kwon Do!!
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2008, 12:15:49 PM »
I thought the Afghan's reactions were lighting fast.

All this talk about sparring not being effective in a real fight for and against, well for me here's the reality of a real fight in GB. Pubs and alcohol being the fuel that causes them and the chavs who indulge in this sort of thing more than other members of society. Realistically all anyone would have to do to avoid being hit is footwork and the odd dodge, within a minute they will be out of breath. You could if you felt like it say 'finish him' like that voice in the game and do the prick with a roundhouse kick but really all you would have to do i walk off.

So what are you going to do about his mates who are watching all this kick off? While you're concentrating on dodging Darren from the estate with you best come dancing footwork, they are most likely going to be pummelling you from behind.

I agree with you that booze is the likely cause of most rucks out in the streets. Best thing is to try not to put yourself in a situation where something like this can happen to you. But then hiding away for most of your life is not an option as well.

Whatever you do, don't punch someone in the mouth going for their teeth. Shattered teeth are like $%&#ing razors, do you really want your knuckles cut to shreds and their saliva/blood all over those cuts?

Also I never said sparring doesn't increase your skills. I think it's an essential part of the training, along with the basics and the katas, forms, call them what you will. My point is that it needs to feel real. If you're feeling comfortable and not threatened, then you may be conditioning you body to do the moves and react, but in no way are you preparing your mind for a real confrontation. I'm not saying you should get smacked as hard as possible (if that was the case, people would be forever injured), but your sparring partner(s) should make sure you know that you missed the block, otherwise you're not going to learn.

 

When i used to do Tai kwon do, the instructor showed 5 of us the effectiveness of footwork. For 5 minutes we tried to get near him and hit him and never got anywhere. He beat the 5 of us without striking out. In the reality situation i did see someone knock out a bloke with a kick out side a club years ago and his mates didn't go anywhere near him.
I understand your point too about stress levals and the effect of adrenalin as it can freeze you.
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Re: Kung Fu V Tae Kwon Do!!
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2008, 08:48:06 PM »
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Re: Kung Fu V Tae Kwon Do!!
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2008, 11:41:53 PM »
I think I hate being indecisive.

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Re: Kung Fu V Tae Kwon Do!!
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2008, 12:53:07 AM »
Minimum effort, for maximum effect, to quote our colonial cousins, that's awesome!
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Re: Kung Fu V Tae Kwon Do!!
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2008, 10:39:52 AM »
off but on-topic don't show off before a fight

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Re: Kung Fu V Tae Kwon Do!!
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2008, 12:38:56 PM »
T'was funny. I think Lionel Blair must have taught him to fight. I witnessed something similar for real many years ago with a kid limbering up with his "martial arts" moves only to get taken out immediately.
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Re: Kung Fu V Tae Kwon Do!!
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2008, 10:46:05 PM »
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Re: Kung Fu V Tae Kwon Do!!
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2008, 09:32:47 PM »
I thought the Afghan's reactions were lighting fast.
It seems like everybody on this board is kung fu fighting...In fact, it's a little bit frightening.. :lol: :lol:

hahaha, i didn't think anyone would have the balls to make that joke. :lol:
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Re: Kung Fu V Tae Kwon Do!!
« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2008, 11:46:46 AM »
I thought the Afghan's reactions were lighting fast.
It seems like everybody on this board is kung fu fighting...In fact, it's a little bit frightening.. :lol: :lol:

hahaha, i didn't think anyone would have the balls to make that joke. :lol:

Yep.  Top marks for effort.
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Re: Kung Fu V Tae Kwon Do!!
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2008, 10:24:57 PM »
I did Karate, Judo and Kung-Fu, but only one year of Kung-Fu. Due to studies I moved and stopped.
In my humble opinion it is really one of the best martial arts techniques - if not the "best". It is hard to grade something like that, since - as others have pointed out - personal skill and ambition play a large role. A lot of people in my club were of course of that opinion and that maybe influenced me a bit, haha. The biggest problem however IMO was that you could do Kung-Fu for 10 years and still be almost a beginner. It is not just a martial art, it is a lifestyle. Meditation, meridians of the body, disciplinary codes... the people there were really totally into it. Me, I'm a bit clumsy naturally  :D and I lacked the time to put enough training into it. Karate was so much easier in a way, Judo was so much more "fun" in a way.

At the moment I am trying to join the University classes here, they have Karate and Taekwondo. I think I will give Teakwondo a try. Somehow I was never happy with Karate. I would like to get to know Muya Thai, too.

I think in a bar fight I would still loose - I'm easily surprised, haha.

BTW my teacher for Kung-Fu was Frankie Dow. He is an amazing teacher for anybody who wants to learn Kung-Fu or Tai Chi (he's American, not German) and he's a quite humorous guy as well.
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Re: Kung Fu V Tae Kwon Do!!
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2008, 09:54:09 PM »
I did Karate, Judo and Kung-Fu, but only one year of Kung-Fu. Due to studies I moved and stopped.
In my humble opinion it is really one of the best martial arts techniques - if not the "best". It is hard to grade something like that, since - as others have pointed out - personal skill and ambition play a large role. A lot of people in my club were of course of that opinion and that maybe influenced me a bit, haha. The biggest problem however IMO was that you could do Kung-Fu for 10 years and still be almost a beginner. It is not just a martial art, it is a lifestyle. Meditation, meridians of the body, disciplinary codes... the people there were really totally into it. Me, I'm a bit clumsy naturally  :D and I lacked the time to put enough training into it. Karate was so much easier in a way, Judo was so much more "fun" in a way.

At the moment I am trying to join the University classes here, they have Karate and Taekwondo. I think I will give Teakwondo a try. Somehow I was never happy with Karate. I would like to get to know Muya Thai, too.

I think in a bar fight I would still loose - I'm easily surprised, haha.

BTW my teacher for Kung-Fu was Frankie Dow. He is an amazing teacher for anybody who wants to learn Kung-Fu or Tai Chi (he's American, not German) and he's a quite humorous guy as well.
http://www.tai-chi-akademie.de/html/der_grossmeister.html

You're absolutely right.  It gets to a point where it's not a hobbie, it's a way of life.

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Re: Kung Fu V Tae Kwon Do!!
« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2008, 08:37:58 AM »
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