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Re: 335 pickups. OK, now I am confused...
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2008, 03:35:13 PM »
he said that 18 months ago, I'm sure that supply ran out already, so I don't know if you can use that at this point.
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Re: 335 pickups. OK, now I am confused...
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2008, 03:38:35 PM »
Please take a look at these 2 videos of Greg Hilden:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acEWLeWVm0c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Ujm4HEXGc

Which set's sound do you think is closer to these sounds? (Ok, I know that one of the clips is played with a Les Paul, but I think that you can get what I am after) :)
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Re: 335 pickups. OK, now I am confused...
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2008, 03:52:56 PM »
Greg's sound in those vids is closest to AII. But bare in mind that Tim suggested Mules for you, not to say that the AIV pickups are always better than those with AII. And vice versa goes for the statement you quoted on the bottom of page 1. You said you wanted a more equal frequency response and that's what an AIV magnet does to the Stormy Monday wind. If you want the trademark sweetness of AII that Gregory Hilden and Larry Carlton has, it's a natural consequence that the bass gets a little boomier than it would with AIV. In my experience, AIV powered pickups can sound plenty sweet.
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Re: 335 pickups. OK, now I am confused...
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2008, 04:14:38 PM »
Great clips! You have impeccable taste, I am a big Gregor Hilden fan as well. :D

I have been reading this post with intrigue. I understand your predicament, it's one I have had several times as well.

Here is what I think:

Those clips you provided can be done with relative simplicity with the SM's and Mules. Basically, you can't go wrong!

But, I know you want to get it perfect the first time. I have played the AII and AIV SM's and I think the AIV's do that sound better. They are VERY pristine. Crystal clear and definitely a bit tighter or "snappier" in the low end than the AII's. That is not to to say that the AII's are flabby or not as good, simply a bit "mellower" under such applications and not quite as defined as the AIV's. I felt from the beginning that there is something very special about the AIV magnets that Tim uses. The voicing is just different. They make you smile when you pluck those strings! :D

Referencing back to your first post, the AIV SM's most certainly have tons of clarity. As a matter of fact, you won't find ANY BKP's that lack clarity. They are very defined and focused and very balanced.
The Mules that Tim suggested have a bit more behind them and certainly a more pronounced low end than the SM's. My first BKP set was a set of AIV Mules. The cleans are excellent and are very "vintage." For me, the neck's low end was just a touch more than what I wanted. I swapped for an AIV SM and haven't regretted it.

It is true than noone knows BKP's better than Tim. But, the poor guy can only give you guidance based on an email that may or may not truly define the tone that you are searching for. Afterall, putting tone into words is not all that easy.
Case in point: Tim suggested AIV Mules for me and after going back to read the email I sent him, I realized that I could have done a better job of describing exactly what I was looking for.

Anyway, back on topic. My suggestion would be AIV SM's. I don't think you are going to regret it. If they aren't exactly what you are looking for, Tim will swap them out within 14 days.
If you are still undecided, why don't you send Tim those clips and see what he says?

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Re: 335 pickups. OK, now I am confused...
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2008, 04:18:42 PM »
Greg's sound in those vids is closest to AII. But bare in mind that Tim suggested Mules for you, not to say that the AIV pickups are always better than those with AII. And vice versa goes for the statement you quoted on the bottom of page 1. You said you wanted a more equal frequency response and that's what an AIV magnet does to the Stormy Monday wind. If you want the trademark sweetness of AII that Gregory Hilden and Larry Carlton has, it's a natural consequence that the bass gets a little boomier than it would with AIV. In my experience, AIV powered pickups can sound plenty sweet.

Everything in this post is spot-on correct. Greg's sound seems AII SM to me as well, but I think AIV's would add even more clarity and definition to that sound. They are just as sweet as the AII's, with a bit more focus.
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Re: 335 pickups. OK, now I am confused...
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2008, 04:39:08 PM »
Thank you for your replies!

I sent a PM to Tim, and asked him if he could tell me his opinion, based on the clips that I've posted.

Let's hope that he'll find some time to watch them and reply to the thread :)
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Re: 335 pickups. OK, now I am confused...
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2008, 11:27:23 AM »
AII or AIV...................AII powered humbuckers do produce what some players feel as a compressed tone..........dynamically it's not but they can feel that way. You can recreate this by going with a slightly more powerful magnet such as Alnico IV and also  regain alittle more control in the bottom end.
 It's a tough call..............I nearly always recommend Stormy Monday(AII) humbuckers for semi players who are after a clean and dynamic tone that compliments the semi acoustic nature of the guitar(rather than masking the tone of the guitar with a high output pickup). In this instance, as the guitar already has Alnico II pickups albeit with symmetrically wound coils, I think it would be beneficial to go with Alnico IV and the asymmetrical wind of the Stormy Monday humbuckers.(I originally suggested The Mule humbuckers based on Carlton, Ford etc style jazz blues tones but after speaking to the customer and getting a fuller understanding of the exisiting balance and tonal issues I'm confident that AIV SMs are the way to go)
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Re: 335 pickups. OK, now I am confused...
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2008, 11:31:38 AM »
Thank you Tim!!!

It was a coincidence that you where replying to my thread, when I called you!!!
I must admit that you are really great guy!!!

Thank you for all your patience, help, information and advice...

So I will trust your experience and order the Stormy Monday AIV set now ;)
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Re: 335 pickups. OK, now I am confused...
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2008, 12:17:41 PM »
Being the proud owner of AII SMs, and AIV Mules, I have to extrapolate a bit, but I think you'll be extremely happy with the AIV SMs :)
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Re: 335 pickups. OK, now I am confused...
« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2008, 12:21:01 PM »
Being the proud owner of AII SMs, and AIV Mules, I have to extrapolate a bit, but I think you'll be extremely happy with the AIV SMs :)

I really hope so!!!
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Re: 335 pickups. OK, now I am confused...
« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2008, 12:23:27 PM »
I forgot to thank Fourth Feline for the plenty of emails that he sent me, trying to help me choose the right pickups set for me!!!

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Re: 335 pickups. OK, now I am confused...
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2008, 04:13:42 PM »
That's cute! Glad you finally made your mind up, the range is so extensive that it can seem overwhelming to pick 'your' set, but you can't really go wrong. That said, I'm eying up an Epiphone Dot, so I'll be pouring over these threads soon enough trying to find the pickups right for me.
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Re: 335 pickups. OK, now I am confused...
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2008, 04:19:27 PM »
I forgot to thank Fourth Feline for the plenty of emails that he sent me, trying to help me choose the right pickups set for me!!!


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It was my pleasure Elavd, enjoy your pickups ! ( I'm sure you will )  ...  :D

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Re: 335 pickups. OK, now I am confused...
« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2008, 06:43:24 PM »
I reckon you're going to love those pickups. Make sure to let us know how you get on with them! :D
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Re: 335 pickups. OK, now I am confused...
« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2008, 06:45:59 PM »
As soon as I get them installed, I'll try to make a video demo, using the same amp that I used here:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWqNwUu8rRU
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