BKP Output Chart?

[JSHRED]

I know I've already thrown a bomb with this subject, because yes, I know there is so much more to pickups than just their output. Some are more dynamically responsive or have more headroom, and of course there's all the subtle voicing differences.

-BUT-

All the same, sometimes I like a comparison chart to look at for a quick at-a-glance picture of what the pickups do. Like the Gibson pickup relative output chart, the one that has P-90 with a wee little bar of output and Dirty Fingers and 500T with some huge firebreathing bar of power. Or the Duncan website that shows a relative generalised Bass/Mid/Treble character of each pickup. Like a Miracle Man might be Bass 9, Mid 5, Treble 7 or something like that.

Is this even something that would be useful to anyone, or am I just oversimplifying pickups to the point of blasphemy? I'll just go stand by the stake in case yall want to burn me there.

 :o

[johnnyswitch]

i think that would be a very useful thing, maybe just a basic EQ graph of the pickups and maybe a blurb on what kind of music they make?
hear hear!

[Will]

They make as much music as the player plays ;)

It will be on the new site when it arrives.

[Antag]

It will be on the new site when it arrives.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Antag]

I'll just go stand by the stake in case yall want to burn me there.

 :o

FWIW I think it's a perfectly reasonable question.  You can get all the written descriptions you want & listen to clips in Players, but unless you have access to BKP-equipped guitars to try for yourself the first few purchases are always going to be a leap of faith.

Of the BKP bridge pickups I own, I rate their output in the following (ascending) order:
Nailbomb, Holy Diver, Miracle Man, Painkiller, Warpig

[Philly Q]

It will be on the new site when it arrives.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

We've said it many times before, but for the benefit of new members the site update is much like the new Gn'R album - they've both been "on the way" for some time...

[ailean]

Most of the product descriptions show a DC resistance, so you can at least get a guide (I assume you've seen that already).

I think in truth (my opinion, probably wrong) that a difference in resistance of a k or two isn't going to be the deciding factor, more to do with the wind and magnet. Yes of course you want the output to be around the right area but once you know the kind of level you want then the deciding factors move to other things.

Add to that the fact that Tim will custom wind almost anything and it bacomes even more moot. Pick your tone and the output will take care of itself.

Not trying to dis you at all, but I think the above is why such an item hasn't been produced with any sense of urgency.

[johnnyswitch]

well, i knew a point-for-point description of the pickups would be pointless (pardon the pun haha) because of all the little custom differences and all that, but just a general idea of where the pickups fall in a spectrum of tones would be a great idea.
ive been trying to choose a BKP, on and off, for months.  :lol: i keep running in circles, partly because everybody on the forum has a different opinion of how each pickup sounds, some slightly and some quite a bit.

[Fikealox]

I think output can be a bit deceptive, anyway. I was noodling around tonight, and the AIV Mules in my LP sound just as loud as the Painkiller/Nailbomb set in my M2. The latter are a lot hotter, but not any louder. I guess it probably comes down to the EQ of the pickups and perhaps relative pickup height (though the Mules aren't set much closer), but still, it surprised me...

[Philly Q]

It's not so much the perceived loudness/volume, but it is really noticeable how much more easily a high-output pickup drives an amp into distortion.

[ericsabbath]

Of the BKP bridge pickups I own, I rate their output in the following (ascending) order:
Nailbomb, Holy Diver, Miracle Man, Painkiller, Warpig

I disagree a bit
my impressions were:
cold sweat and holy diver (about the same output, but the cold sweat is more aggressive and crunchy, and a bit tighter, the holy diver is fatter, more modern and massive sounding)
alnico warpig (didn't sound as high output as I expected, just had more compression than the other models... more like a slightly driven and boosted holy diver)
painkiller (sounded a lot tighter and a bit hotter than the warpig in the same guitar, but cleaner and less compressed)
miracle man (not mid pushed like the painkiller, but sounded a lot punchier and crunchier in the same guitar)
I played them all in mahogany only

looks like we'll never come to a full agreement
(waiting for MDV...  :lol:)

[Spitfire]

it may not be the be all and end all.. BUT it would be helpfull.. especially as its impossible to tell what a pickup will sound like in a guitar... some tone charts to compare the BK range could be very helpfull.. along with the change a different avaliable magnet would do to it etc etc. so instead of just having a Miracle man listed.. a a5 MM and Ceramic MM listed seperatley with a description of its characteristics aswell..

although, it could be a thing done on the BK forum as a collective effort and edited down collectively into a sticky post or something.

[Philly Q]

although, it could be a thing done on the BK forum as a collective effort and edited down collectively into a sticky post or something.

It's a good idea, and it could work, but it'd be a slow process!  I think we'd get a lot of disagreements depending on the type of guitar people use, whether a particular pickup is better suited to clean or dirty, etc, etc....

For starters, it would be good to find one person who has nearly all the pickups (Phil King, where are you?  )

[il˙ti]

It's a good idea, and it could work, but it'd be a slow process!  I think we'd get a lot of disagreements depending on the type of guitar people use, whether a particular pickup is better suited to clean or dirty, etc, etc....

Yeah, not just a slow process, but a neverending one. Better to have a bit of patience and wait for the elusive new website IMO.

[ailean]

some tone charts to compare the BK range could be very helpfull.. along with the change a different avaliable magnet would do to it etc etc.

+1

Although I think even the new website will be missing magnet variants. (Tim?)