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Philly Q

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Strat bodies - how light is too light? (Update!)
« on: September 15, 2008, 01:43:50 AM »
I may have mentioned once or twice ( :roll: ) that I'm putting together a Strat.  I've decided on "swamp" ash for the body, because I like the looks and it'll make a change from the many alder Strats I've owned in the past.  The big question is how heavy a body should I go for?

I dismantled my hardtail Strat and found that the body weighs 4lbs, 8oz and the guitar weighs a few ounces under 8 pounds in total (it has heavier modern style hardware).  I'd ideally like to knock a little off that total weight, especially since a trem system is a lot heavier than a hardtail bridge, so I've been looking at bodies around the 3.5lbs to 4.0lbs range - preferably at the lower end of that range.

However, I've read a few comments in various places (including the Warmoth site) saying that lightweight bodies can sound more resonant acoustically, but if they're "too light" they can lack midrange or sound indistinct and muddy.  I don't want to fall into that trap, but how light is "too light"?  You see people talking about great Strats and Teles which weigh less than 7lbs, but even with vintage hardware that means the bodies must be well under 4lbs. 

I'm confused, basically.  :?   Any thoughts?


(I haven't totally ruled out getting a Warmoth hollow body ("these bodies remain stiff but light weight for that fat, rich tone with great sustain"), but I'm afraid it'll end up sounding like a Thinline which really isn't what I want.)
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Re: Strat bodies - how light is too light?
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2008, 02:29:08 AM »
Yes, the hollow will sound alike Thinline... I don't know how much would the weight would change the tone... Anyway, the body doesn't change that much the tone, the neck change way more the tone...

I really don't think that you should be afraid of it...

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Re: Strat bodies - how light is too light?
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2008, 08:28:24 AM »
i disagree that the neck changes the tone way more than the body.. unless you are referring to a neck through design.  but we could debate that all day and not get anywhere.

anyway, the topic at hand.  I dont think there is a strong relationship between weight and tone, there is a relationship there but its effects would be hard to see over a pound or two difference in a body blank. I am not saying a 3lb body sounds the same as a 5lb body, i am saying that you will get good and bad tone in each weight bracket.  Not helpfull i know - but it really does come down to checking each piece of wood.. in this case i would take a chance on a nice lightweight one from warmoth - but as with any guitar parts ordered without trying you are taking a chance

Stiffness is a more important variable that often gets ignored because its harder to quantify.  If you have a very lightweight body that still has a nice amount of stiffness then it will still sound good and resonant.  This is why i like the warmoth bodies with channels routed out to reduce weight.  You can loose a lot of weight without loosing much stiffness and because the chambers are small and many rather than a few large empty chambers it sounds less like a thinline would and if you dont have an f-hole you wont have the extra acoustic volume of a thinline either

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Re: Strat bodies - how light is too light?
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2008, 10:25:16 AM »
What Wez says is my understanding too.  You can't go by weight alone, stiffness seems to be the factor and that's hard to quantify.

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Re: Strat bodies - how light is too light?
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2008, 11:44:12 AM »
i disagree that the neck changes the tone way more than the body.. unless you are referring to a neck through design.  but we could debate that all day and not get anywhere.

Yeah, I've seen this idea that the neck affects the tone more than the body on the Warmoth forum during my research in the last couple of weeks.  I've also seen people on the Telecaster forum saying the same thing.  As you say, it's not worth getting into a big debate (and taking my own thread off-topic!  :roll: ), but I'm sceptical.  I can hear differences in tone between different body woods quite easily, and I'm no Eric Johnson.  It may be true that those differences are less noticeable when amplified, I suppose.

Meanwhile....

Thanks for the comments so far, guys.  I guess it does really come down to the individual piece(s) of wood, and weight is only one factor.  So since it's a bit of lottery anyway, there's no point cutting off my nose to spite my face and getting a heavier body... which might not even sound good.  If I'm going to take a punt on Warmoth I might as well go for a lightweight one.
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Re: Strat bodies - how light is too light?
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2008, 05:49:37 PM »
I have a new 'strat' that has a really lightweight alder body, and it's resonant as all hell!! It is by far the lightest guitar I've ever owned, but it sustains like crazy.

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2008, 06:20:14 PM »
I have a new 'strat' that has a really lightweight alder body, and it's resonant as all hell!! It is by far the lightest guitar I've ever owned, but it sustains like crazy.

Hardtail or trem, Ben?  And I'm guessing maple neck?
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Re: Strat bodies - how light is too light?
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2008, 06:42:10 PM »
I have a new 'strat' that has a really lightweight alder body, and it's resonant as all hell!! It is by far the lightest guitar I've ever owned, but it sustains like crazy.

Hardtail or trem, Ben?  And I'm guessing maple neck?
OFR, maple/maple neck, bolt on ... sorry, no tone or volume controls, just a kill switch. Thread/pics coming soon. :)
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Re: Strat bodies - how light is too light?
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2008, 06:47:33 PM »
I have a new 'strat' that has a really lightweight alder body, and it's resonant as all hell!! It is by far the lightest guitar I've ever owned, but it sustains like crazy.

Hardtail or trem, Ben?  And I'm guessing maple neck?
OFR, maple/maple bolt on ... sorry, no tone or volume controls, just a kill switch. Thread/pics coming soon. :)

Cool, mine will also be a maple neck - with a vintage(ish) trem, HSS (and a full complement of controls).

Looking forward to the thread and pics! :)
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Re: Strat bodies - how light is too light?
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2008, 01:46:04 PM »
I know this is casting the net VERY wide indeed, but in my experience I've found my lighter guitars to have more zing and sustain whereas my heavier guitars have had less acoustic resonance.

Plugged in, I'd say the difference is negligable.  If weight is what you're worried about, go for the lighter wood - your back/shoulder will thank you for it.


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Re: Strat bodies - how light is too light?
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2008, 01:59:18 PM »
I know this is casting the net VERY wide indeed, but in my experience I've found my lighter guitars to have more zing and sustain whereas my heavier guitars have had less acoustic resonance.

Plugged in, I'd say the difference is negligable.  If weight is what you're worried about, go for the lighter wood - your back/shoulder will thank you for it.

Yeah, on the whole I'd agree - although heavy guitars can sound quite thin and dead acoustically but still sustain when amplified, it seems.  I think my white Edwards V falls into the category of being too light to have enough body in the tone, but then again my vintage Melody Maker has awesome resonance and sustain but weighs well under 6 pounds.

Anyway, I think you're right, weight is a primary concern for me so I'm going to go lightweight.  Now, which finish do I go for...?
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Re: Strat bodies - how light is too light?
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2008, 02:26:20 PM »
if it's swamp ash with a nice grain, it's got to be that creamy-white semi-transparent finish that Fender used on their Mary Kay Strats.

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Re: Strat bodies - how light is too light?
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2008, 02:36:09 PM »
if it's swamp ash with a nice grain, it's got to be that creamy-white semi-transparent finish that Fender used on their Mary Kay Strats.

They actually had one just like that on the Warmoth site  :D - but it was sold yesterday  :( . 

I'm basically torn between two - a two-piece natural finish with really awesome grain and a one-piece with a translucent coloured finish. 
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Re: Strat bodies - how light is too light?
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2008, 02:42:14 PM »
How about a burst? I like Warmoth's tobacco burst.
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Re: Strat bodies - how light is too light?
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2008, 03:04:47 PM »
I said the same to him, but he thought it looks to 50's... :(