(Almost) NGD! Warmoth + Piledrivers!

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Speaking of Warmoths and Macassar Ebony necks, check out this beauty:

http://www.warmoth.com/showcase/sc_guitar_necks.cfm?itemnumber=wn688

[Philly Q]

i like the wenge neck you have fernando.. but that run out on the headstock looks a bit drastic - but i trust warmoth so i am sure its ok. 

Sorry Wez, I don't understand that bit.  :?

[WezV]

Hummm never played it before (also the guitar is not finished), but never heard about this Wez... completely new to me, always been told that the only difference is the color :?

And from where came your Macassars? :D

the macasser ebony came from a guy on a forum along with two huge planks of flamed korina and two extremely large matching mac ebony fretboard blanks... hmm.. perfect for a doubleneck!!  all perfect ly quarter sawn.

Mac ebony feels like the black stuff but has a slightly warmer sound.  halfway between the black ebony and a rosewood is a good generalistaion of the sound.. its also more suitable for 1-piece necks because its more stable than the black stuff and available in bigger pieces.

Runout is a term used for describing wood.  if refers to the grain running diagonally  from the front face to the back face.  If you look at the side of fernando's headstock you can see it quite clearly.  Its sometimes hard to detect but quite clear on those photos.  Shoudlnt be a problem on wenge.  Run out is really important if you make acoustics.  Thin wood plates with lots of run out  are a lot weaker than ones with no  run out. 
http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/General/Glossary/Runout/runout.html

[Philly Q]

Runout is a term used for describing wood.  if refers to the grain running diagonally  from the front face to the back face.  If you look at the side of fernando's headstock you can see it quite clearly.  Its sometimes hard to detect but quite clear on those photos.  Shoudlnt be a problem on wenge.  Run out is really important if you make acoustics.  Thin wood plates with lots of run out  are a lot weaker than ones with no  run out. 
http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/General/Glossary/Runout/runout.html

 8) Cheers Wez, never heard of that before.  Is it something to look out for on, say, a maple neck, or would it not be an issue because of the totally different grain structure?

[WezV]

run out can seriously affect stiffness of any wood.  if you have ever had a neck that seemed a bit bendy it was probably due to some run out.  but it is hard to spot and hard to see if it will be a problem.  i would except a bit more in wenge than i would maple or mahogany

have a think about a gibson style 1 piece mahogany neck for a second.  If you have a really good neck blank the grain will be running straight from one end to the other.  Great for the neck sectionbut not so good for the headstock as  the angle its cut at will cut through all the grain creating runout on that face... then what happens to the gibson headstock?

[Philly Q]

have a think about a gibson style 1 piece mahogany neck for a second.  If you have a really good neck blank the grain will be running straight from one end to the other.  Great for the neck section but not so good for the headstock as  the angle its cut at will cut through all the grain creating runout on that face... then what happens to the gibson headstock?

Is that one of the reasons Gibsons so frequently get neck/headstock breaks?  Presumably also why they use the holly or fibreboard (or whatever it is) veneer on the face of the headstock.

[WezV]

its the reason gibson necks often snap where they do, right on the headstock.  Obviously a good scarf join takes care of that but they have a bad reputation because they often break on cheaper guitars.  to me a good scarf is better than a one-piece neck but i prefer laminating my necks anyway which helps to solve the issue.  Veneering the front helps a little but i bet gibson mainly did it for aesthetics, veneering front and back is good - especially if you have already had a break

[FernandoDuarte]

Completely agreed with the grain running out of the strenght... but as it's fender headstock I didn't got worried to much... if it was an angled headstock, I would be waaaaay more :D Also the Fatback shall help, as it's 1" thick, or it's keep a straight line from the headstock to the pocket, thru the back of the neck...