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BloodMountain

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Home recording for a beginner
« on: November 09, 2008, 07:36:24 PM »
hey

I decided its time to get off my lazy backside and get some home recording software/hardware. I have heard about the POD 2 for a while now and it is awfully tempting, but the price looks too good to be true, and i remember that it used to be hated around here for some reason (but that might have changed, i havent been active for a while!)

Enter the Emu 0202. Now i have never seen anything like this before, it looks really great and at an extremely low price.
Trouble is, i would like to record distorted things as well as clean guitar things, and i have no idea how i would go about this. From what i gather it's a USB recording/sound card device that can let you record right out of the box. This would be all great, but i have no experience with this sort of thing.
Would i:
1. Record i DI signal then add the distortion on the computer
2. Place an effects box in between the guitar and the Emu (i have a feeling this would destroy it, but maybe not)
3. Use the mic output to Mic up a distorted amp, as most professional recordings are done

any help will be appreciated, and heres a link to the product:
http://www.emu.com/products/product.asp?category=610&subcategory=611&product=15186&nav=features

thanks, BM
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Re: Home recording for a beginner
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2008, 07:56:16 PM »
Havent seen you on here for ages! How did your GCSEs etc go? I think thats the last time you posted here :P

Anyway I wouldnt go for the Emu because I've heard bad things about them, mostly the drivers and input gain adjustments. I'm going for an Edirol UA-25ex which is similar but seems to get better reviews. With units like these, you basically plug them in (via USB or firewire, depending on which unit you go for) and use them as your main soundcard, plug your speakers into it etc. Then you can either plug a mic via xlr into the input of that, and record your amp, or plug your guitar straight in to one of the hi-z inputs, record that dry then add a VST effect such as Amplitube 2.

I'd say the 2nd option is easier as mic positioning is such a pain in the arse to get right and takes loads of experimentation.


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Re: Home recording for a beginner
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2008, 08:27:54 PM »
my GCSEs were great thanks! i got 1 A*, 2 Bs and the rest As  :D
were you doing them back then? How have you been?

really? ok, thanks for the heads up
That Edirol looks nice and cheap!
And thanks for clearing a few things up for me  :)
im planning on doing something sound-related for university so i figured it would be useful as well as just plain fun to get some recording stuff!
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Re: Home recording for a beginner
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2008, 10:06:57 PM »
I think I was doing my A-levels, ended up getting 2 C's and got into DMU doing Media Production BSc which is great (year 1 was shiteee but year 2 is way better so far - doing 3d modelling which is awesome).

I was going to get an EMU 0404 but I read loads of bad reviews about them so I thought I'd get something else. I have a Presonus Inspire 1394 which is great but I dont think the Vista drivers are great, sometimes I get crackly, distorted audio when playing back things in winamp/vlc which is a pain in the arse and not good enough to use as a normal soundcard. It was £60 on ebay though and its noticeably better in quality than my onboard sound so its not shiteee, just doesnt have great drivers yet..

As for software and computery stuff, you should get the latest ASIO drivers (www.asio4all.com I think) and Reaper, it's technically free though they nag you for a license after your "trial" period of 30 days is up - it still works fine but you just get nagged :P


edit - if you're interested, in a few weeks time I'll probably be selling the presonus interface I have at the minute for about £50 posted? So long as you're on an "older" OS like XP and have a decent 8 pin firewire card you should be fine with it. It works fine on my mates mac anyway so I know the unit isnt broken.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2008, 12:30:23 PM by _tom_ »

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Re: Home recording for a beginner
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2008, 03:16:21 PM »
The Emu drivers are rock solid (not that great on vista, but still no complaints per se)

The gain adjustments are a bit sensitive, but its nothing that cant be dealt with

What you get with EMU stuff is DACs and ADCs (digital to analogue and analogue to digital converters) that hit WAY above the price point, doubly so on the M models, and good mic pres and high-z inputs (again, way, way better than most stuff at the same sort of price).

You also get a kickass software package.

For recording guitars at home you can go 4 basic ways

- Mic up your amp. Just get an SM57 or an Audix i5 (I prefer this) and learn the wonders of mic placement, acoustics, speaker distortion, swing, steady state and blah blah blah. In the end there is NO subsitute for this, but its way harder to get good results (asside from anything else its way louder, which makes things harder and might annoy someone).

- Get a modeller. I get the best results with mine just lining them into the High Z inputs. Line 6, Vox, Boss and Zoom all make good ones that dont cost the earth. The best I've tried (and own) is a vox tonelab LE. I also have a pod XT that serves its purpose, but it sounds like a youre banging a kick drum filled with bees.

- VST amp sim. I find these are the worst thing. I've heard good things about guitar rig 3, but havent had the chance to try it properly yet. This has the sneaky and underhanded 'advantage' of what I'm going to call 'try before you buy', since I trust if youre going to be using the software you would render unto the developers what is the developers ;)

- Line out of an amp. Can work pretty well so long as theres a cab or speaker sim at some point.

Youre also gonna need headphones and monitors. Spend as much as you can on monitors. You should arrange your listening position suitably and try to treat your space a bit, too. PM me if youre interested in this, so as not to divert the thread, and I'll tell you what I know.

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Re: Home recording for a beginner
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Re: Home recording for a beginner
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2008, 08:11:47 PM »
thanks for the replies.
just a few things to get cleared up though:
1. What's a high Z input??
2. Tom - Why would i need those additional drivers? Would that give better clarity of sound if i got a USB soundcard like the EMU etc.?
3. So which would be the best for home recording out of a Modeller or micing up an amp? i'm guessing the Modeller as it is much easier
4. If so, how would you go about plugging a modeller such as the Tonelab LE into a computer? also, which software would you use?

Sorry for all the questions, im really clued up!

And Tom, i really like your tone on that last one, damn good for a computer program! Maybe not quite the tone i'm looking for... I'm thinking more along the lines of Dan Swano's Moontower album:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usPygNbJl5Y
(bad quality video, i know!)

thanks all for your replies
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Re: Home recording for a beginner
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2008, 08:22:32 AM »
1 - A high impedence input. Guitar signals are very weak and not high impedence, so you need high impedence to get them up to a sensible level.

2 - You only need those drivers if you dont already have them. Most recording software and hardware uses ASIO, but if it doesnt and yet its capable of it you can get asio4all, which is like open source asio.

ASIO is Audio Stream In/Out, and I believe steinberg of cubase fame invented it. Its a low latency audio communication thing. Stock souncards that dont use it will have latencies of hundreds of miliseconds, ones that do use it have a couple of miliseconds.

3 - In pure practical terms micing up an amp is easier. Its just harder to get a good sound. But even a mediocre amp sound sounds better than modellers in my experience. There are considerations like other people in the house and next door to think of too.

The main reason I use modellers is consistency. Amped up sounds are nearly impossible to recreate. Bump a mic by an inch or change more than 3 settings and youre very unlikely to find that sound again, which is a pain for cobbling a track together over a few days. Plus you cant really do it at night at all, no matter how nice people in earshot are.

Modellers - you find a sound that you hate as little as possible and every time you switch it on its there. Some are easier to use than others.

4 - I've always got the best results by lining modellers 1/4" jack outs designed for amps and effects loops into the High-Z inputs designed for instrument signals. Different modellers have different connectivity though. Use what works/sounds best.