I am officially FED UP with downtuning

[nfe]

Katatonia, Pain of Salvation, Anathema?

Maybe Paradise Lost?

[Lew]

Cheers nfe!

[nfe]

No worries.

Someone needs to ask for BM recomendations so I can get my specialist subject hat on  :lol:

[MDV]

So Doom is the bar-steward child of Sabbath then, got it ;P

Nice one Tom, I'll check em out now.

hmmm I don't know MDV, like I say im literally just getting in to em-myspace-you tube etc... Stand out song is Porcelain heart.

Good heavy riffs with tasty tone and clever song writing and arrangments, not afraid of using strings etc... and god production.

Kinda like if Dream Theater replaced the solos and pompusness with a good singer and better song writing  :lol:

That isnt a bad way of putting it, really. Still way off, but I know what you mean.

Soulfly are another one now....a bit at least.

The cleverest metal - meshuggah.

Runners up, without getting into stuff thats too clever for its own good (I'm looking at YOU, Spastic Inc and Behold the Arctopus!!)

Origin (Echos and antithesis)
Nile - catacombs onward, sort of, but mainly In their Darkened shrines on
Biomechanical
psycroptic
Byzantine (first two albums especially - you might really like these guys, actually)
Isis
Cryptopsy
Gojira (especially the last two - you might also really like these)

That'll do. Its hardly any at all, but quality over quantity. Warning - much of this is pretty brutal, but its the kind of stuff you can listen to intently 20 times and still hear something in it you never heard or noticed before, or have some aspect of the meticulous crafting thats gone into it reveal itself to you.

[MDV]

Katatonia, Pain of Salvation, Anathema?

Maybe Paradise Lost?

Not bad calls. Even paradise lost. All of them still only share a dimension or two of Opeths repatoire, though.

Quote of the day

"If music were a woman, I'd be desperate to $%&# her"

- Mikael akerfeldt

[Lew]

That's gonna keep me busy this week  :lol: cheers.

nfe Pain of Salvation is hitting the spot like a good cup of alternative, fruity tea!!  8)

[Lew]

Cryptopsy
Gojira (especially the last two - you might also really like these)

Just Myspaced Gojira :O !!!!!!! That's what I'm talking about!!!!

[_tom_]

Really? You arent being facitious?

They arent exactly worlds apart, but c'mon, so different!

Yes really :P They sound so similar to me, one open D/C chord ringing out, with the riffage on the other guitar, then they both go into some chuggy odd time signature stuff. Very predictable and dull imo :?

edit - yes, Gojira are awesome :) I've just discovered them myself.

[MDV]

Really? You arent being facitious?

They arent exactly worlds apart, but c'mon, so different!

predicable as the sunrise. But most music is, and I still think they're pretty different. *shrug*

Yes really :P They sound so similar to me, one open D/C chord ringing out, with the riffage on the other guitar, then they both go into some chuggy odd time signature stuff. Very predictable and dull imo :?

edit - yes, Gojira are awesome :) I've just discovered them myself.

They are awesome. The latest album sees some more proggy work off them, and awesome riffing, as usual, but more sophisticated. Less intense as a whole than From Mars, though.

[TomAwesome]

You might want to check out Porcupine Tree, Lew. Not really my thing because of the vocals really but they have some good riffage.

Porcupine tree dude, forget his name, often produces opeth, too. Their musics have similarities and disimilarities. I would argue the latter outnumber the former.

Steven Wilson. He's a great producer and a great musician. Porcupine Tree and Blackfield rock (as does Opeth, of course).

[Muzzzz]

Novembre are also a great band in the Opeth-y vein. Check them out.
Yes, Gojira are also fantastic.
but imo, Electric Wizard sounds like orchestrated farting. Just my 2 cents I guess, but I'm not really keen on Sabbath either I guess.

[Philosoful]

Btw, to the dude who said he tunes E flat, show me some please :lol:

[noodleplugerine]

Btw, to the dude who said he tunes E flat, show me some please :lol:

Some what? Hendrix, SRV, Testament, Slayer, all play Eb.

And yes, Opeth are superb, listen to Damnation, Deliverance, Watershed and Blackwater Park, my fave albums by them. Agree in that its very hard to find similar music, they're pretty unique, saw them last thursday. Truly awesome band.

And MDV, Behold the Arctopus are absolutely superb. Saw them on Saturday, and I swear to god, I've never seen such good playing live, absolutely tight, didn't miss a single note, and the music was awesome, not just cr@p technical stuff imo, very solid, syncopated, jazzy, funky, unique, I mean, no idea how it would be on CD, but easily one of the best live bands I've EVER seen.

Steven Wilson is pretty cool, his production work is great, and porcupine tree are another very cool band.

And tbh, I wouldn't say Meshuggah was THE cleverest metal, their earlier stuff is very close (DEI era), but I think there's more to bands like SiKth and DEP, simply because of their compositions etc being a little more diverse, that's not to say that Meshuggah aren't one of my fave bands EVER, and I think the "Disciples come join with me" bit in New Millenium Cyanide Christ is the greatest moment in any single piece of metal EVER.

[MDV]

Btw, to the dude who said he tunes E flat, show me some please :lol:

Some what? Hendrix, SRV, Testament, Slayer, all play Eb.

And yes, Opeth are superb, listen to Damnation, Deliverance, Watershed and Blackwater Park, my fave albums by them. Agree in that its very hard to find similar music, they're pretty unique, saw them last thursday. Truly awesome band.

And MDV, Behold the Arctopus are absolutely superb. Saw them on Saturday, and I swear to god, I've never seen such good playing live, absolutely tight, didn't miss a single note, and the music was awesome, not just cr@p technical stuff imo, very solid, syncopated, jazzy, funky, unique, I mean, no idea how it would be on CD, but easily one of the best live bands I've EVER seen.

Steven Wilson is pretty cool, his production work is great, and porcupine tree are another very cool band.

And tbh, I wouldn't say Meshuggah was THE cleverest metal, their earlier stuff is very close (DEI era), but I think there's more to bands like SiKth and DEP, simply because of their compositions etc being a little more diverse, that's not to say that Meshuggah aren't one of my fave bands EVER, and I think the "Disciples come join with me" bit in New Millenium Cyanide Christ is the greatest moment in any single piece of metal EVER.

I dunno. Sikth and dillinger are considerably less planned. Pin told me (after I asked him how he comes up with his odd, complex riffing - whether its planned or vibe/textural) that its "Just playing and going "Ok, what the hell just happened there?"", then they force-fit drums later. I cant see dillinger being much different - sure its complicated, but its also rather arbitrary.

You take something like new millenium cyanide christ on the other hand, since you bring it up - the main riff is 5 bars of 23/16 then 1 bar of 13/16 on the guitars and the kick, while Harke is playing a slow 4/4 with his hands. 23 and 13 arent divisible by 4 (or anything else for that matter) so the snare and cymbals fall on different beats of the kick and guitars with each repetition and it sounds random, BUT (23 x 5)+13 = 128 16ths, which is 4/4, so the whole section is in fact one 4/4 passage. This is very, very clever planning, and their music is laced with it. Totally intentional, extremely clever, not in the least arbitrary. It may sound as random as anything else on superficial inspection, but it really isnt, and differs from most of your random time change bands in that very complex sections become much simpler over a longer timescale, or when taken as a whole, rather than one pattern at a time. Much, much harder and much, much cleverer than the likes of dillinger.

[TomAwesome]

You take something like new millenium cyanide christ on the other hand, since you bring it up - the main riff is 5 bars of 23/16 then 1 bar of 13/16 on the guitars and the kick, while Harke is playing a slow 4/4 with his hands. 23 and 13 arent divisible by 4 (or anything else for that matter) so the snare and cymbals fall on different beats of the kick and guitars with each repetition and it sounds random, BUT (23 x 5)+13 = 128 16ths, which is 4/4, so the whole section is in fact one 4/4 passage. This is very, very clever planning, and their music is laced with it. Totally intentional, extremely clever, not in the least arbitrary. It may sound as random as anything else on superficial inspection, but it really isnt, and differs from most of your random time change bands in that very complex sections become much simpler over a longer timescale, or when taken as a whole, rather than one pattern at a time. Much, much harder and much, much cleverer than the likes of dillinger.

Actually, most of Meshuggah's stuff like that is just fairly basic syncopation. I like Meshuggah, and I'm not trying to say that what they do is unclever, but it's not all that complicated when you break it down, though it is a lot more planned out than it might sound at an initial listen.