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Ruby tubes....
« on: December 09, 2008, 09:56:47 AM »
So, i'm thinking of getting some ruby tubes for my next power valves

Of the 3 on this page, is the top 6L6 really worth the extra money over the other two? I was looking to get some =C= you see, but this solves both problems if it'd be worth the extra money

Thanks in advance guys!

Link - http://www.banzaieffects.com/Ruby-Tubes-c-783.html

I'm going to wait a bit, so the euro isn't crazy high! Or can any recommend a UK place to get them? Or another great 6L6? I don't want Tung Sol 5881's
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Re: Ruby tubes....
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2008, 10:01:43 AM »
What amp are they going into?

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Re: Ruby tubes....
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2008, 10:02:15 AM »
My Egnater Mod 50.

I'll only need 2
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Re: Ruby tubes....
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2008, 01:20:58 PM »
I'm assuming you're in the UK, and if so you can get a pair of JJ 6L6GCs cheaper from Hotrox (£28.85) than Banzai (EUR41.10 / £35.79) - both inc VAT and postage costs.

The JJ 6L6GC is a good solid valve, my fave valve of theirs along with their 6V6.

If you can stretch your cash a bit further, then the Groove Tube GE 6L6GC is a great valve and you will hear where the extra money went (I have a quad of these myself)... http://www.hotroxuk.com/groove-tube-6l6-ge-8154-0.html




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Re: Ruby tubes....
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2008, 07:00:45 PM »
you know, ruby tubes are just relabeled shuguangs right? Just keep it in consideration.
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Re: Ruby tubes....
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2008, 07:47:34 PM »
Aren't they just rebranded in the pre amp valves, not the power?

Cheers Heavier than Hell! So, JJ are better than Ruby, and Groove Tubes even better?

I don't mind paying £60 for a great matched pair :D

Bet high gain valves from hotrox then? Might as well get them all from the same place eh!

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Ruby tubes....
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2008, 11:46:24 PM »
Anyone?
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Re: Ruby tubes....
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2008, 11:58:37 PM »
Aren't they just rebranded in the pre amp valves, not the power?

Cheers Heavier than Hell! So, JJ are better than Ruby, and Groove Tubes even better?

I don't mind paying £60 for a great matched pair :D

Bet high gain valves from hotrox then? Might as well get them all from the same place eh!

Thanks in advance!

I wouldn't say that Groove Tubes are better than JJ in general, but those GE-repros that GT make are a really nice valve and worth the extra.  Some other GT valves are just relabelled/selected Russian and Chinese valves, whereas their GE-6L6GC repro is unique to them.

I'd get all your valves from Hotrox - I've had nothing but good experiences with them for many years now and their matching is spot on.  I've just put some Svetlana 6550s in a JCM800 that were matched within 1mA of each-other.


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Re: Ruby tubes....
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2008, 05:52:01 AM »
Nice one!

Best pre amp valves for high gain from hotrox?

Price isn't really an issue (within reason) :)
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Re: Ruby tubes....
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2008, 03:47:02 PM »
Nice one!

Best pre amp valves for high gain from hotrox?

Price isn't really an issue (within reason) :)

whats wrong with the preamp valves you have now? - I'd be surprised if they NEED replacing, I've gigged old Marshalls, AC30s etc. that still had the original valves and sounded great.

If the preamp valves are half decent, I'd use your cash to buy a NOS ECC83 or two - you will get much better results than buying a whole amp's-worth of current production ECC83s.


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Re: Ruby tubes....
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2008, 07:43:07 PM »
I'm just looking to do a whole revalve, i want ultimate clarity at high gain you see.

They don't NEED replacing, i'd just like to 'upgrade' my sound a bit if i could
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Re: Ruby tubes....
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2008, 08:34:04 PM »
Groove Tubes (now owned by Fender), Ruby Tubes, Mesa Boogie, TAD (and may other makes) don't make valves. They test and reband valves made by other manufacturers.

Some of the valves they sell are exclusive them, ie they are made only for that company.

As far as I know there are only 4 factories still mass producing valves for the guitar market:

JJ Electronics in Czech Republic
Saratov plant in Russia (makes all EH, Mullard, Tungsol, S-Logo Svetlana, Genelux, Sovtek valves).
Svetlana plant in St. Petersburg (=C=)
Shuguang factory in China (although there could be other Chinese factories, can't really tell what's going on there, although as the CRT is now virtually obsolete I expect there aren't many factories with vacuum tube capabilities).

The Ei factory in Serbia may be making valves again, I don't know, but they did go out of production.

As you can see, there isn't really a great selection of valve manufacturers, despite a multitude of brands. There is little point buying a JJ-6L6 rebranded from Groove Tubes at greater cost than you could buy the same valve from say Hotrox branded as a JJ-6L6. So unless you really want a valve that is proprietary to a rebrander, I would go with a reputable vendor and save money.

For what it's worth I've had very good results with JJ-6L6s (so I'm very pleased they have sorted the pins out on them — they now use correctly sized tapered pins), although I have had a couple of new tested valves flash over in amps with B+ over > 500 V. I use =C= 6L6s in may main concert amp though!

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Re: Ruby tubes....
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2008, 09:12:31 PM »
Thanks for that mate!

Why do you use =C= over JJ then (6L6)?

Any reccomendations for preamp valves for best clarity in high gain?

I've heard good things about the JJECC83S, and the Tung Sol 12AX7
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Re: Ruby tubes....
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2008, 01:23:53 AM »
I'm just looking to do a whole revalve, i want ultimate clarity at high gain you see.

They don't NEED replacing, i'd just like to 'upgrade' my sound a bit if i could

what preamp valves do you have now?


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Re: Ruby tubes....
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2008, 01:33:48 AM »
Groove Tubes (now owned by Fender), Ruby Tubes, Mesa Boogie, TAD (and may other makes) don't make valves. They test and reband valves made by other manufacturers.

Some of the valves they sell are exclusive them, ie they are made only for that company.

As far as I know there are only 4 factories still mass producing valves for the guitar market:

JJ Electronics in Czech Republic
Saratov plant in Russia (makes all EH, Mullard, Tungsol, S-Logo Svetlana, Genelux, Sovtek valves).
Svetlana plant in St. Petersburg (=C=)
Shuguang factory in China (although there could be other Chinese factories, can't really tell what's going on there, although as the CRT is now virtually obsolete I expect there aren't many factories with vacuum tube capabilities).

The Ei factory in Serbia may be making valves again, I don't know, but they did go out of production.

As you can see, there isn't really a great selection of valve manufacturers, despite a multitude of brands. There is little point buying a JJ-6L6 rebranded from Groove Tubes at greater cost than you could buy the same valve from say Hotrox branded as a JJ-6L6. So unless you really want a valve that is proprietary to a rebrander, I would go with a reputable vendor and save money.

For what it's worth I've had very good results with JJ-6L6s (so I'm very pleased they have sorted the pins out on them — they now use correctly sized tapered pins), although I have had a couple of new tested valves flash over in amps with B+ over > 500 V. I use =C= 6L6s in may main concert amp though!

Just thought I'd mention that the Groove Tube GE-6L6GC replica I recommended is quite different from anything else out there at the minute.  It's one of GT's USA-made valves along with their 6CA7.

GT list the GE-repro as 90% made in USA which suggests that all the internals are USA-made and the assembly is outsourced to Russia or China.  This fits in with what I've heard on the grapevine about these valves being assemled in the far-East using USA parts... http://www.groovetubes.com/assets/1713_GT6L6GE%20PR%204_02.pdf

As for the JJ 6L6, I just found it to overdrive in a fairly odd manner (lots of bass and treble and virtually no mids at all) despite being a very sturdy valve.  This was in a Fender Tonemaster head and once I put some Philips 6L6WGBs in there, it was a whole different amp.

The =C= 6L6 is much nicer and ballsier imo, plus I just like =C= valves better in general.

For preamp valves, like I said before - you'll not likely hear much difference replacing preamp valves in certain parts of the amp depending on the function of that valve.  e.g. the PI valve doesn't have nearly as much influence on the tone as the very first preamp stage valve - thats why I suggested getting NOS valves for the initial gain stage.