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Holy Diver/Nailbomb/Painkiller/Miracle Man Clean tone?
« on: December 27, 2008, 01:36:38 PM »
Ok i need help deciding which pickups to get.
I need a bridge humbucker to have killer distortion as well as a warm clean tone.

which BKP has the best 500k full bridge clean tone ?
Holy diver, nailbomb, painkiller, miracle man?

thanks

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Re: Holy Diver/Nailbomb/Painkiller/Miracle Man Clean tone?
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2008, 01:49:05 PM »
which BKP has the best 500k full bridge clean tone ?
Holy Diver by a mile :)  NB a distant second, then PK, then MM...
BKPs: HD, MM, NB, PK, CS, Ab (b&n); Am (b only); VHII, Tril (n only); IT, Slow, Sult (m&n)

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Re: Holy Diver/Nailbomb/Painkiller/Miracle Man Clean tone?
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2008, 02:01:26 PM »
FWIW, here are a few clips I've done:

Clean
Clean/Crunch/Heavy
Heavy (actually, the remix on Pg2 is better...)
Heavy
Solo over a clean backing
Mega filth! :twisted:

Enjoy :)
« Last Edit: December 27, 2008, 02:03:46 PM by Antag »
BKPs: HD, MM, NB, PK, CS, Ab (b&n); Am (b only); VHII, Tril (n only); IT, Slow, Sult (m&n)

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Re: Holy Diver/Nailbomb/Painkiller/Miracle Man Clean tone?
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2008, 02:23:03 PM »
Only piece of advice I have is not to choose the MM unless your amp has an outstanding clean channel...
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Re: Holy Diver/Nailbomb/Painkiller/Miracle Man Clean tone?
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2008, 03:11:51 PM »
its not saying much, but i agree with all the comments so far.

i think the painkiller has pretty good cleans, obviously the holy divers better in this regard
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Re: Holy Diver/Nailbomb/Painkiller/Miracle Man Clean tone?
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2008, 04:20:33 PM »
Only piece of advice I have is not to choose the MM unless your amp has an outstanding clean channel...

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only one i've tried is the MM, but it won't really do what you want.

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Re: Holy Diver/Nailbomb/Painkiller/Miracle Man Clean tone?
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2008, 12:49:53 PM »
Ok i need help deciding which pickups to get.
I need a bridge humbucker to have killer distortion as well as a warm clean tone.

which BKP has the best 500k full bridge clean tone ?
Holy diver, nailbomb, painkiller, miracle man?

thanks

Well you can rule out the Miracle Man. It does cleans ok, but not very warm.
Current BKPs: Miracle Man, Nailbomb, Juggernaut, VHII
Past BKPS: Holy Diver, Trilogy Suite, Sinner, Black Dog

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Re: Holy Diver/Nailbomb/Painkiller/Miracle Man Clean tone?
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2008, 03:31:04 AM »
i have a painkiller 7 in the bridge on my modded up 7420 and its cleans are really nice, on the hot side, not too bassy which is great for the low B and very crisp. It doesn't overdrive my clean channel (5150) and retains bite when you turn down the volume, without a treble bleed mod.
i use a cold sweat in the neck & have petrucci style wiring, the middle position for cleans is sheer bliss!

i would recommend it for metal style clean cleans, its too sharp sounding for smooth lo-gain stuff and i cant seem to get it to work well for jazz tones either.

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Re: Holy Diver/Nailbomb/Painkiller/Miracle Man Clean tone?
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2008, 09:57:59 AM »
i have a painkiller ... bridge ... and its cleans are really nice, on the hot side, not too bassy which is great for the low B and very crisp. It doesn't overdrive my clean channel (5150) and retains bite when you turn down the volume, without a treble bleed mod.
i use a cold sweat in the neck & have petrucci style wiring, the middle position for cleans is sheer bliss!

i would recommend it for metal style clean cleans, its too sharp sounding for smooth lo-gain stuff and i cant seem to get it to work well for jazz tones either.
That's a really good description of the PK clean sound.  It is a good, useable clean sound, but not ideal for ballads or some of the softer cleans you might find in, say, Opeth style music (then again, what do you expect from a pickup called "Painkiller"?!? :twisted:)

I guess that's why I like the Holy Diver so much more - it's warmer, more versatile yet still has the grunt I need for high gain :)
BKPs: HD, MM, NB, PK, CS, Ab (b&n); Am (b only); VHII, Tril (n only); IT, Slow, Sult (m&n)

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Re: Holy Diver/Nailbomb/Painkiller/Miracle Man Clean tone?
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2009, 01:58:20 AM »
which BKP has the best 500k full bridge clean tone ?
Holy Diver by a mile :)  NB a distant second, then PK, then MM...
where does the cold sweat fit in here? i'm struggling myself to choose BKP's for my future Rg1527. i was pointed out to MM but seems to be the worst choice for cleans and although i play some melodic death metal, i like my cleans very much, and leads too...

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Re: Holy Diver/Nailbomb/Painkiller/Miracle Man Clean tone?
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2009, 03:32:32 AM »
I need a bridge humbucker to have killer distortion

bkp's do not come with built-in distortion  :lol:
Riff Raff, Mules, Black Dog, VHII's, Cold Sweat

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Re: Holy Diver/Nailbomb/Painkiller/Miracle Man Clean tone?
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2009, 09:53:13 AM »
which BKP has the best 500k full bridge clean tone ?
Holy Diver by a mile :)  NB a distant second, then PK, then MM...
where does the cold sweat fit in here? i'm struggling myself to choose BKP's for my future Rg1527. i was pointed out to MM but seems to be the worst choice for cleans and although i play some melodic death metal, i like my cleans very much, and leads too...
It's a good question - I didn't include it because I don't have a CS bridge & the original poster didn't ask about it.

Judging by the descriptions of others, it has a decent clean tone, better than MM...
BKPs: HD, MM, NB, PK, CS, Ab (b&n); Am (b only); VHII, Tril (n only); IT, Slow, Sult (m&n)

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Re: Holy Diver/Nailbomb/Painkiller/Miracle Man Clean tone?
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2009, 12:51:45 PM »
The CS has quite a sharp clean tone, with a touch of warmth.  From my experience, and the BKPs I've had I'd rate them:

Warm ---------------------> Cold
HD................VHII...RR....CS

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Re: Holy Diver/Nailbomb/Painkiller/Miracle Man Clean tone?
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2009, 01:18:24 PM »
The CS has quite a sharp clean tone, with a touch of warmth.  From my experience, and the BKPs I've had I'd rate them:

Warm ---------------------> Cold
HD................VHII...RR....CS
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Twinfan, how are you finding the Holy Diver?   I remember reading that you'd just got some recently... :)
BKPs: HD, MM, NB, PK, CS, Ab (b&n); Am (b only); VHII, Tril (n only); IT, Slow, Sult (m&n)

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Re: Holy Diver/Nailbomb/Painkiller/Miracle Man Clean tone?
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2009, 01:28:56 PM »
I'll let you know after I've cranked 'em up tonight  ;)

First impressions?  They're a beefy, warmer VHII although that may be because of the guitar they're fitted in too...