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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2009, 11:08:51 PM »
Congrats! Great guitar. I really like the color. Is it that dark(ish) in real life or is it just the lighting in the photo?

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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2009, 07:58:38 AM »
Maybe this calls for another thread, but is it just me or are PRS loosing their 'lawyers guitar' image? they certainly are in my mind.

I've been giving it some thought for the last few hours and I think it's because they've now been around long enough that good second hand bargains are coming up, and I'm starting to see quite a few bands and guitarists using them.

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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2009, 09:47:09 AM »
I never felt they had that image in the first place.

Super quality, great tone, and great playing - Lawyer's guitar? Sounds pretty much like a player's guitar.
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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2009, 10:20:08 AM »
I agree with Adam - they're losing that perfect flame/uber-prices image that has put a lot of people off.  They've successfully expanded the range to cover more bases, and the prices appear to me to be more affordable than they've ever been.  They now have something for almost everyone, plus the new factory that's opening this year will bring new models, acoustics and their amp range.  They're going to be an even bigger player in the music world in the future.

I'm a complete convert, but it took the (stripped down and lower priced) Mira to do it.  I then discovered the McCarty model and I haven't looked back.

In all seriousness, if I could only have one guitar it would be a PRS, no question.

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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2009, 10:21:20 AM »
I'm still terrified of picking one up. EVER. They look too pretty. nice guitar btw
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« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2009, 06:21:47 PM »
i never understood the lawyers' guitars guff either.

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« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2009, 07:15:16 PM »
I think the "lawyer's guitar" thing started because they were a small US company which dared to launch a high-end, high-price instrument at a time when the guitar market pretty much meant Fender, Gibson and overseas imports.  Of course not many people bought them, or could afford them, at first.  And there was quite a lot of emphasis (especially in the early days) on how many "A"s there were in the maple tops.  So they developed an exclusive, "furniture guitar" kind of image.

Eventually they ended up challenging the big boys - why them and not, say, Dean or Hamer?  I think because they stuck to a couple of basic designs and didn't really try to follow trends or make guitars for specific genres of music.  Plus a fair bit of luck. 

And now they've reached a point where so many people play them that there isn't just one PRS image any more  - the instruments haven't changed much, but the range of users has got much wider.  It can't be a lawyer's guitar if a "cool" band is using it.

Personally I'm a little bit worried about the new ranges and designs they're introducing - it seems like they're starting to try to be all things to everyone, which isn't really what they're about.  They've been pretty clever so far, using the SE range for different designs rather than just budget copies of the US models.  But I wonder if they're going to end up like Fender, with a bewildering number of models at different prices so you'll need to read the small print to figure out where they're made.

Oh well, enough moaning.  They don't care what I think.
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« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2009, 07:30:25 PM »
It can't be a lawyer's guitar if a "cool" band is using it.

absolutely right! a guitar MUST be cool if Opeth are using it!
i'm serious.

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« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2009, 09:08:19 PM »
It can't be a lawyer's guitar if a "cool" band is using it.

absolutely right! a guitar MUST be cool if Opeth are using it!
i'm serious.

:)

I was going to mention Opeth.  But I'm 44 and I think they're cool.... which means they're probably not.  :|

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« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2009, 09:43:59 PM »
Fine how about Sikth?  Surely if you think they're cool, you definitely are.  And if you don't, they definitely are. :D

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« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2009, 09:45:02 PM »
Nice guitar :) I do like the green top, not sure if I'd get one myself, but I always like the look :) Good catch.
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« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2009, 09:52:27 PM »
Fine how about Sikth?  Surely if you think they're cool, you definitely are.  And if you don't, they definitely are. :D

I don't know them well enough to answer that one.... from what I've heard, I'm sure they're talented, but not sure I like the music.  :?

I guess I should find out.
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« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2009, 10:04:37 PM »
They're kind of off the wall and it took me a few listens to really get into them.  Though I only mentioned them because one of them happened to play a PRS.
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« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2009, 10:20:12 PM »
I think the "lawyer's guitar" thing started because they were a small US company which dared to launch a high-end, high-price instrument at a time when the guitar market pretty much meant Fender, Gibson and overseas imports.  Of course not many people bought them, or could afford them, at first.  And there was quite a lot of emphasis (especially in the early days) on how many "A"s there were in the maple tops.  So they developed an exclusive, "furniture guitar" kind of image.

Eventually they ended up challenging the big boys - why them and not, say, Dean or Hamer?  I think because they stuck to a couple of basic designs and didn't really try to follow trends or make guitars for specific genres of music.  Plus a fair bit of luck. 

And now they've reached a point where so many people play them that there isn't just one PRS image any more  - the instruments haven't changed much, but the range of users has got much wider.  It can't be a lawyer's guitar if a "cool" band is using it.

Personally I'm a little bit worried about the new ranges and designs they're introducing - it seems like they're starting to try to be all things to everyone, which isn't really what they're about.  They've been pretty clever so far, using the SE range for different designs rather than just budget copies of the US models.  But I wonder if they're going to end up like Fender, with a bewildering number of models at different prices so you'll need to read the small print to figure out where they're made.

Oh well, enough moaning.  They don't care what I think.

yeah, i understand that, i actually meant a much more simple argument. :oops:

namely,

(1) if you think that people in well-paying jobs but who are cr@p players shouldn't "deserve" nice guitars, then your argument is with our political/economic system, not guitar makers (same thing happens with cars, houses, etc. etc.)

and

(2) the same people are often willing to pay as much money for a beaten up relic, so it doesn't look like a lawyer guitar, but in terms of price, is exactly the same (if not more).

which seems kind of daft. :lol:

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« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2009, 10:31:14 PM »
Sorry Dave, my rambling wasn't meant as a direct reply to your post.

But I take your point.  :)


I think the contemptuous use of terms like "lawyer guitar" is bullsh!t anyway, there's a reverse-snobbery implication that you can only be a "proper" musician if you're:

(a) actually a professional musician; or
(b) amateur, skint and jobless ("I'm concentrating on my music!"  :roll: ).
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