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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #75 on: January 09, 2009, 07:57:18 AM »
I'm a fan of planet waves for their durability
I'll watch this thread develop though as I will try some clear tones next month

Yes, it is still a great idea to buy a Cleartone cable - as they " do what it says on the tin".  I have been swapping back and forth a lot during an extended jam / practice session, and to be fair to both Cleartone and Planet waves, here are my further observations :

The Cleartone cable is incredibly clear - and perhaps the perceived 'stiffness' and hard treble is me hearing the true single coil 'edge' of my Mississipi Queens for the first time.  I certainly had to use the neck pickup and tone controls with the Cleartones - to round things out a bit.  It may be a case of that old cinematic cliche " you want the truth ? you can't handle the truth ! " . The Cleartones certainly let you hear the vocal quality of adding subtle vibrato to the top strings, especially when applied during a string bend.

The Planet Waves certainly round things off a little bit in the upper registers, making the sound somehow more silky - but perhaps a tad 'blocky'.  The strong point is where the bass frequencies fatten and blur a bit, making excursions onto the bass strings sound very warm and fat.  In contrast The Cleartones evoke the Bass tone of something like a Fender precision - lean ( perhaps even skinny ) - but you can hear the grind, shimmer - and detail of the notes.

Of course ( whilst not used during this test ) - the Monster 'Jazz' cable is somewhere rounder, sweeter and more muted than the Planet Waves ( despite the Monster 'Jazz' claiming to be a fairly balanced cable in the E.Q).

It all does ( for me ) prove one thing beyond a doubt though, and that is that cables DO make a difference - and as Twinfan mentioned at the outset, it's about getting the right jigsaw pieces / components to make the sound you want. Everything in the signal chain chain counts.

I would be very interested to read what  Cleartone / Planet Waves / other cable users feel that they gain or lose from cable to cable - especially around the valid reference point of Cleartones. If this unintentionally hi- jacks T.F's original thread -  we can always lift the cable comparisons onto another ?

Well I used planet waves for a couple of years before finding cleartones maybe 6 months ago. Sonically I mainly agree with you, but one mans this is anothers that - where you prefer the warmer lows of the PWs, I call that 'mud', what you call 'silk' I call 'mush' and I massively prefer the clarity, tightness, high end extension available (i.e. that of my gear, closer to how it really sounds, since cables can only remove sound, not add it, and cleartones remove less), and also the seperation and detail that they can convey. Or allow my gear to show. Whatever. They also allow siginificantly less fizz with high gain (I play metal, mostly).

Basically, the things you say you dont like about them are the things I like about them, and the things you like about PWs are the things I dont like about them. *shrug*

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #76 on: January 09, 2009, 08:06:54 AM »
Basically, the things you say you dont like about them are the things I like about them, and the things you like about PWs are the things I dont like about them. *shrug*

One play Metal another play Jazz, couldn't be different... :D

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #77 on: January 09, 2009, 08:19:29 AM »
Basically, the things you say you dont like about them are the things I like about them, and the things you like about PWs are the things I dont like about them. *shrug*

One play Metal another play Jazz, couldn't be different... :D

Jazz metal is alive and kicking, buddy, and has been for a while

But yeah, I know what you mean. Sonically chalk and cheese.

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #78 on: January 09, 2009, 01:05:43 PM »
Basically, the things you say you dont like about them are the things I like about them, and the things you like about PWs are the things I dont like about them. *shrug*

One play Metal another play Jazz, couldn't be different... :D

Jazz metal is alive and kicking, buddy, and has been for a while

But yeah, I know what you mean. Sonically chalk and cheese.

Nice to read your comparisons though MDV.  :)

I agree the Cleartones are just that, and it shows that under certain circumstances - a bit of colouration may be either suitable or loathsome to the individual.   The irony is ( tone wise ) - that most add the colouration at the speaker stage ( i.e. Greenbacks , V30s  v.s  Electrovoice / Emminence or Celestion Hot 100s e.t.c ). 

I can imagine that a blend of cables in a rig might be interesting.  For me ( more and more recently ) it's been one short cable straight into an amp - and tapewound bass strings.  As Fernando noted, although Jazz Metal is indeed alive and well ( Shawn Baxter anyone ? ) - the tone I desire to present is that good old slightly muted and mellow one.

That is why I remain so interested in other folk's opinions,  in that tone is so subjective - and there is no ultimate right or wrong, only fit for purpose at the time.

Cheers ! :)

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #79 on: January 09, 2009, 02:59:02 PM »
Well I used planet waves for a couple of years before finding cleartones maybe 6 months ago. Sonically I mainly agree with you, but one mans this is anothers that - where you prefer the warmer lows of the PWs, I call that 'mud', what you call 'silk' I call 'mush' and I massively prefer the clarity, tightness, high end extension available (i.e. that of my gear, closer to how it really sounds, since cables can only remove sound, not add it, and cleartones remove less), and also the seperation and detail that they can convey. Or allow my gear to show. Whatever. They also allow siginificantly less fizz with high gain (I play metal, mostly).

Basically, the things you say you dont like about them are the things I like about them, and the things you like about PWs are the things I dont like about them. *shrug*

same here. generally, i like warmer tones than bright, but (to me, personally), the planet waves cables were muddy rather than warm. way i see it, as well, it's a lot easier to remove high end/warm things up at either the amp or the guitar, than to add treble/brightness/whatever the opposite of "mud" is once it's been removed...

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #80 on: January 09, 2009, 03:52:40 PM »
After spending some considerable ( further ) time swaping between Cleartones, Monster Jazz and Planet Waves - I agree that it is best to stick with ( and work with the characteristics of ) the Cleartones.

 The revelation was doing a quick jazzy ascending run - and the Cleartone cable was the only one that let me hear every note ( including the legato ones ) clearly pronounced. I experimented with subtle right hand damping and such - to put the 'soft nose' on notes when I wanted - and it worked really nicely.

Coupled with the fact that Cleartones are also a very affordable / slim / compact / flexible cable - and those nice folks at Cleartone even fitted a silent angle jack that matches my favourite Jazz guitar . :wink:



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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #81 on: January 09, 2009, 04:23:03 PM »
OK, seeing as Cleartones are getting a universal thumbs up:

Are the "silent" jacks worth the extra money, are are they just something else to go wrong?
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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #82 on: January 09, 2009, 04:33:13 PM »
no idea, i went with the normal ones. that was solely based on price, though. :lol:

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #83 on: January 09, 2009, 04:33:26 PM »
Interesting cable journey you've been one, FF. Thanks for sharing

Yes, philly. The silent jacks are more than worth it. I havent heard an annoying noise after unplugging or plugging in my guitar, no matter how loud whats its plugged into. All annoying noises are in between plugging and unplugging now.

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #84 on: January 09, 2009, 04:51:25 PM »
I use my tuner mute live when switching guitars, so I don't need silent jacks.  I didn't think they were worth it, and something extra to go wrong!

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #85 on: January 09, 2009, 04:59:50 PM »
Yes, philly. The silent jacks are more than worth it. I havent heard an annoying noise after unplugging or plugging in my guitar, no matter how loud whats its plugged into. All annoying noises are in between plugging and unplugging now.

Cheers Mark.  I'd better invest in some quick, before the recession puts them out of business.
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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #86 on: January 09, 2009, 05:14:34 PM »
I use my tuner mute live when switching guitars, so I don't need silent jacks.  I didn't think they were worth it, and something extra to go wrong!

We dont all have a tuner mute, and you dont have to do anything at all for the switch to work, its automatic. I've stopped even thinking about it, just plug and unplug in scilence.

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #87 on: January 09, 2009, 05:30:55 PM »
I got my order yesterday(20ft silent jack, 10ft silent jack and some patch cables), the service and delivery time is great and the price is just stupidly good.

I agree with MDV, the silent jacks are fantastic.  :D

The difference between the Cleartone and my .155 GeorgeLs is pretty big.
The George L's have more high mids and perceived gain but the Cleartones have alot more body and smoothness on the top end.

The yellow tags saying the length are a good idea too.

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #88 on: January 09, 2009, 06:11:48 PM »
I use my tuner mute live when switching guitars, so I don't need silent jacks.  I didn't think they were worth it, and something extra to go wrong!
We dont all have a tuner mute, and you dont have to do anything at all for the switch to work, its automatic. I've stopped even thinking about it, just plug and unplug in scilence.

Fair enough - I was just giving an alternative  :)

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #89 on: January 09, 2009, 06:16:41 PM »
For the extra pennies, its worth it. Mine hasn't gone wrong yet.