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FernandoDuarte

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Re: Baritone Pickups
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2009, 04:19:38 PM »
Made uppon Jimmy Page tone (old 500t on bridge), but a quick search will give you better answer than mine... :D

I think it would be a replica of the replacement pickup Jimmy got wound when his PAF packed it in

That's what I said (tryed at least :lol: he put a 500T on his '58 LP, isn't it?)

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Re: Baritone Pickups
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2009, 04:21:59 PM »
He built me this sexy little number and I'm hopeful to repeat much of the design on the baritone:
Maybe not to everyones taste but she's a looker in my book :D Miracle man set in there to boot!

+1 on PhillyQ comment, at first I thought this was the guitar of JT, and them saw the PRSished one...
This is a sexy guitar! congrats! What was the inspirations?

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Re: Baritone Pickups
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2009, 04:26:19 PM »
That's what I said (tryed at least :lol: he put a 500T on his '58 LP, isn't it?)
I think he got a custom SD wound thing in there, saying that, I think he went for a T top in the end :?

He had two '59s :P Apologies in general, I have been enjoying LZ quite recently and the way his tone varies is quite interesting.

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Re: Baritone Pickups
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2009, 04:50:43 PM »
Seems I was wrong... :lol:

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Re: Baritone Pickups
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2009, 04:51:44 PM »
He built me this sexy little number and I'm hopeful to repeat much of the design on the baritone:
Maybe not to everyones taste but she's a looker in my book :D Miracle man set in there to boot!

+1 on PhillyQ comment, at first I thought this was the guitar of JT, and them saw the PRSished one...
This is a sexy guitar! congrats! What was the inspirations?

Many Thanks it was a mixture of the following:

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The top one being a Valley Arts/Samick frankenstein made for Blues Saraceno and the latter being a Kotzen Tele. I loce them both so decided to combine the 2 into the PH1 guitar 8)

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Re: Baritone Pickups
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2009, 05:04:30 PM »
Good stuff, I don't know I'f i'll be sinking quite so low string wise as I'm hopeful to play a touch of lead. Does this not matter so much due to the scale length being greater? Lord knows what I'm doing at the moment, but I have a Jim root Tele with 12-52s that's doing the job. Very little know how has been applied to date :(.

you can probably get away with slightly hotter than we would have done but i still think its best to keep it lower powered and give it the extra push with the amp/pedals

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Re: Baritone Pickups
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2009, 05:19:06 PM »
Yeah it's got 14-70s on it at the mo, Wez, will try the 13s at some point, but for now I'm happy with the 14s! It's fine for lead, you just need proper fingers (although you like Telecasters, so I'm guessing yours are a bit limp) :)

And Fernando: LOL :)

Re: Pickups - definitely worth considering the lower output. I have a miracle man in an Ibanez, and the black dog in my WezV baritone (see avatar and threads on these forums!), and the outputs are not all that different (less so than I had imagined they would be). The extra articulation afforded by the lower output black dogs really helps the fast low stuff, but they can still scream out lead runs too, thanks to the sheer amount of metal oscillating above them!!

Good luck with it!

Roo

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Re: Baritone Pickups
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2009, 05:45:49 PM »
The top one being a Valley Arts/Samick frankenstein made for Blues Saraceno and the latter being a Kotzen Tele. I loce them both so decided to combine the 2 into the PH1 guitar 8)

I really like the Kotzen Tele.  I've often been tempted to get one, but I've got a pretty similar Tele already so it would be surplus to requirements.
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Re: Baritone Pickups
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2009, 05:42:42 PM »
Yeah it's got 14-70s on it at the mo, Wez, will try the 13s at some point, but for now I'm happy with the 14s! It's fine for lead, you just need proper fingers (although you like Telecasters, so I'm guessing yours are a bit limp) :)

How rude, though probably quite apt :D. I don't think Mr Roots tele is all that limp mind you, all told it's a bit of a monster. Here's my Feline monster doing its thing!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PrIeDrxOsWU
let me know what you think? 8)

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Re: Baritone Pickups
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2009, 05:58:20 PM »
Yeah it's got 14-70s on it at the mo, Wez, will try the 13s at some point, but for now I'm happy with the 14s! It's fine for lead, you just need proper fingers (although you like Telecasters, so I'm guessing yours are a bit limp) :)

How rude, though probably quite apt :D. I don't think Mr Roots tele is all that limp mind you, all told it's a bit of a monster.

You'll have to get used to Roo and his Tele-phobic hangups  :wink: .  Although all told, I'm surprised he let you off so lightly there!
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Re: Baritone Pickups
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2009, 06:09:17 PM »
Yeah don't take Roo's anti Tele comments to heart. It is all part of the banter and he will see the light one day.
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Re: Baritone Pickups
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2009, 08:35:50 AM »
It's no problem at all and as I mentioned, he's probably on the money description-wise. :D

I think the thing I like about Tele's, as a metal player is that you don't see them out there. Jim Roots version is pretty much something I'd been considering for a custom guitar, until I got my Feline. Of late there has also been a new range of Charvel Teles released with the twin humbucker and Floyd rose, so there is a need for them. Along with the Kotzen Tele, I always remember Greg Howe having one with a Floyd that was amazing and a company called Robin guitars used to make a guitar called a Tedley that was beautiful. More Teles please 8)

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Re: Baritone Pickups
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2009, 11:01:18 AM »
More Teles please 8)

That's what I like to hear!  :)
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Re: Baritone Pickups
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2009, 01:38:03 PM »
Yeah it's got 14-70s on it at the mo, Wez, will try the 13s at some point, but for now I'm happy with the 14s! It's fine for lead, you just need proper fingers (although you like Telecasters, so I'm guessing yours are a bit limp) :)

How rude, though probably quite apt :D. I don't think Mr Roots tele is all that limp mind you, all told it's a bit of a monster. Here's my Feline monster doing its thing!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PrIeDrxOsWU
let me know what you think? 8)

Hi Pauldem,

Really liked the video, some good writing and playing there, which is always of primary interest. I also really liked the fact that the top bulbous horn of your tele was kept mostly invisible in the video - thank God for that!
There was just one problem for me in that video: at 2:50, you lift up the axe and the top horn is visible - now, to put the next statement into perspective, I'll first have to outline why I hate telecasters:
I hate the top bulbous horn. It looks wrong, teletubby meets guitar. I also hate teletubbies, so you can see why this would be an issue.
I hate the stupid bridge with ugly metal backplate. Most 'metal' teles have done away with this, and that's to their credit.
I hate the metal strip behind the control knobs. Again, most 'metal' teles don't suffer from this hideous addition.
I hate the small headstock. It makes it look as though the guitar is in fact invented for shoving into people's arseholes. Never mind, eh.
Most of all, I have yet to see a telecaster player who looks cool with the guitar. In every single picture/video I have seen, bar none, the telecaster makes the player look like a c***muncher. It's not the player, necessarily, the vast majority are very good guitarists, and likely very nice people (as I'm convinced you are from your posts here, besides you obviously have at least some semblance of good taste, because you're on the BKP forums, right? :D). It's the guitar at fault, and it's a sad fact of life. :(
So, back to my previous statement, unfortunately, at 2:50 in the video, you have been afflicted, at the hands of the guitar, I might add, by the same problem faced by tele players the world over. It's a shame, because otherwise it's an excellent vid (and I really did enjoy it, thanks for sharing!!), and I reiterate again, good playing and good song-writing!!
Nothing personal, you understand :)
Of course, no-one else loses out by my dislike of teles, in fact, neither do I because I'm a 1-guitar man and I have the perfect guitar for me (see avatar, WezV custom baritone).

So, anyway back on topic, I think articulation is the absolute key for baritones. It's important to have an increased scale length (and I think everyone should own a multiscale instrument, too!) for the better string tension, and in this case you do need lower output pickups to cope with the increased mass of strings vibrating in the magnetic field. For your kind of music, clarity and articulation is definitely key for those fast low riffs, and I think that you'll struggle to maintain that with a high output humbucker like those in the contemporary range. As has already been said by Wez above, you can probably get away with a bit more than the black dog, but the extra gain coming from pedals/amp does give you more tonal flexibility in any case, so if it were me, I'd go for something like the black dog, or VHII.  Have you asked Tim at BKP, yet? Give him a call, he's very helpful! :)

Like the others say, it's all part of the banter, and I can take a joke as well as I can give them out (better, because my jokes are rubbish...). Don't take my tele-hating ways to heart, although I'm afraid they won't change. I hate telecasters about as much as I hate the Beatles...

:D

Roo

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Re: Baritone Pickups
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2009, 02:37:30 PM »
Oof, the Roo boy is back with all barrels burning!  :lol:
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