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Re: Didn't really like PRS's until.....
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2009, 02:14:44 PM »
Now, obviously I've expressed my dislike for PRS on plenty an occasion, but they have a market and a fanbase that love them to bits. I don't get why they've taken t making this stuff totally alien to their roots just to eak out a few more pence amongst the shedloads they bring in anyway.

To me, the Starla just looks like Paul has gone and said to his R&D guys "hey, we don't really have anything for the rockabilly type crowd, you wanna make somethng? Take 15 minutes, we'll do a run of the first thing you come up with, just whack a bigsby on something else we make, that'll do, if it looks daft, it still says PRS on it."

i'm not so radical against it but you expressed some of my thoughts...
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Re: Didn't really like PRS's until.....
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2009, 04:46:28 PM »
To me, the Starla just looks like Paul has gone and said to his R&D guys "hey, we don't really have anything for the rockabilly type crowd, you wanna make somethng? Take 15 minutes, we'll do a run of the first thing you come up with, just whack a bigsby on something else we make, that'll do, if it looks daft, it still says PRS on it."

That's very disrespectful to a highly succesful businessman with a genuine passion for his company and his guitars.

You may not like his work, but there's no need to belittle what he does.

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Re: Didn't really like PRS's until.....
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2009, 05:03:08 PM »
i "almost" approved nfe's words so i reply to twinfan's post...
personally i am disappointed when brands known for some traditional and seminal design start to make "experiments" like the RG copies that fender made in the 90s (fender doing supertstrats!) or the various shredder-friendly gibsons (or the PRSish gibson longhorn)... they made guitars still copied and used as standards by every other guitar maker... so OR they come out with some really new and influential design OR they better stick to what they do so well...
the starla is just PRS doing an SG single-cut copy, and there's nothing bad about this, but i definitely prefer the original PRS designs!
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Re: Didn't really like PRS's until.....
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2009, 05:07:41 PM »
anyway i never said i don't like the starla (at least the one above is really nice)  :)
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Re: Didn't really like PRS's until.....
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2009, 05:16:08 PM »
Hey, there's no problem having an opinion - we've all got them!  I was just opposing the view that PRS had somehow "threw something together".

I've not played one, but I'm willing to bet that the Starla is made of quality woods, plays well straight out of the box, has a good tone and is very well finished.  That's more than most manufacturers can manage consistently.

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Re: Didn't really like PRS's until.....
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2009, 05:52:37 PM »
What d'you think of the Mira X, Dave?
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Re: Didn't really like PRS's until.....
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2009, 05:54:51 PM »
Just looking at the PRS site, I see there's now a 22-fret Mira!  But it's more slab-bodied like a double-cut LP Junior, and has "a solid African basswood body, a sipo mahogany neck and a pau ferro fretboard". 

Hmmm, a PRS USA budget model?  I was keen on the idea of a Mira 22, but I'm not sure about the Mira X:

http://www.prsguitars.com/mirax/index.html#

yeah, that's strange. i think they're trying to be the next Fender/Gibson...

kind of risky, it could work or massively backfire...

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Re: Didn't really like PRS's until.....
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2009, 06:40:23 PM »
To me, the Starla just looks like Paul has gone and said to his R&D guys "hey, we don't really have anything for the rockabilly type crowd, you wanna make somethng? Take 15 minutes, we'll do a run of the first thing you come up with, just whack a bigsby on something else we make, that'll do, if it looks daft, it still says PRS on it."

That's very disrespectful to a highly succesful businessman with a genuine passion for his company and his guitars.

You may not like his work, but there's no need to belittle what he does.

I disagree. I don't think the guitar will be any worse than their other similarly priced models, once it was drawn up I'm sure plenty effort went into making the production models, it's just that I think the design itself looks thrown together. To me it looks completely jarring, like someone's just been pulling bits off disparate styles of instruments and sticking them together in photoshop.

They're blatantly just trying to force their way into markets that they haven't been in before, which is fair enough but at least try to do it with some panache, why not try to make a completely new take on something? Why just whap a bigsby and scratchplate onto one of their current models?

If I was Mr Smith, I would like to hope I'd just think "You know, I'm extremely succesful, I make shedloads of money making these instruments I've made my name with, people love them. I think I'll just keep trying to make better and better versions of these." True to the original vision, if you like.

I was surprised enough when they made the SE level models - likewise with Parker and their mid priced instruments - why bother? Why not just keep makking good quality stuff and try retain that niche brand identity.

There's a reason nobody remembers Fender's "metal" guitars...

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Re: Didn't really like PRS's until.....
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2009, 07:20:01 PM »
Pretty much that pickguard is a mix between the SG and the Mira, with a SG color and Bigsby... But most of good idea are simple (specially talking about guitars and guitar building, when you start to make it too fancy is when the cr@p starts to hit the fan)...

Probably you're right on a part of your thought, this looks to me too as a try to expand their business and I can't say that's bad, if they keep their quality control...

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Re: Didn't really like PRS's until.....
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2009, 10:21:09 PM »
To me, the Starla just looks like Paul has gone and said to his R&D guys "hey, we don't really have anything for the rockabilly type crowd, you wanna make somethng? Take 15 minutes, we'll do a run of the first thing you come up with, just whack a bigsby on something else we make, that'll do, if it looks daft, it still says PRS on it."

That's very disrespectful to a highly succesful businessman with a genuine passion for his company and his guitars.

You may not like his work, but there's no need to belittle what he does.

on you on PRS's payroll? :lol:

i didn't realise we had to be respectful to everyone... :)

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Re: Didn't really like PRS's until.....
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2009, 01:20:02 AM »
To me, the Starla just looks like Paul has gone and said to his R&D guys "hey, we don't really have anything for the rockabilly type crowd, you wanna make somethng? Take 15 minutes, we'll do a run of the first thing you come up with, just whack a bigsby on something else we make, that'll do, if it looks daft, it still says PRS on it."

That's very disrespectful to a highly succesful businessman with a genuine passion for his company and his guitars.

You may not like his work, but there's no need to belittle what he does.

I disagree. I don't think the guitar will be any worse than their other similarly priced models, once it was drawn up I'm sure plenty effort went into making the production models, it's just that I think the design itself looks thrown together. To me it looks completely jarring, like someone's just been pulling bits off disparate styles of instruments and sticking them together in photoshop.

They're blatantly just trying to force their way into markets that they haven't been in before, which is fair enough but at least try to do it with some panache, why not try to make a completely new take on something? Why just whap a bigsby and scratchplate onto one of their current models?

If I was Mr Smith, I would like to hope I'd just think "You know, I'm extremely succesful, I make shedloads of money making these instruments I've made my name with, people love them. I think I'll just keep trying to make better and better versions of these." True to the original vision, if you like.

I was surprised enough when they made the SE level models - likewise with Parker and their mid priced instruments - why bother? Why not just keep makking good quality stuff and try retain that niche brand identity.

There's a reason nobody remembers Fender's "metal" guitars...

Didn't Gibson and Fender design new guitars in the 50's to try to force their way into markets that they hadn't been in before?

What makes you so angry and richeous about a guitar design?

The Telecaster looks like it took 15 minutes to design and it was the first thing Leo Fender come up with, still like it though.....
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Re: Didn't really like PRS's until.....
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2009, 01:57:55 AM »
fwiw, I don't like the look of the Starla either - doesn't quite sit right.  The DC shape they use on the Santana models with the different headstock shape would've looked better with the Bigsby (imo).

Like Dave said though, I bet it's very well made and plays really nice.  Reminds me of those Starfield guitars in the early 90s - always though they looked cr@p, but they played like buttah (would probably buy one now if the price was right, the necks were awesome)

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Re: Didn't really like PRS's until.....
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2009, 02:13:04 AM »
I saw one in person yesterday, it's not ugly but it's not that good looking either. I reckon it would be better if they actually used Filtertron pickups rather than showing both rows of the bucker. Atleast they openly say they made it to appeal to the indie scene.

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Re: Didn't really like PRS's until.....
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2009, 10:46:37 AM »
on you on PRS's payroll? :lol:

i didn't realise we had to be respectful to everyone... :)

Ha ha!  No I'm not!  We don't have to be respectiful, I was just expresssing my opinion on what I thought were harsh words from nfe.

What d'you think of the Mira X, Dave?

I'm not sure Phil.  They don't seem to have the extra carves and contours that the regular Mira has?  They look a bit 'flat' to me.  I'm not sure it adds anything extra to the range, unlike the Starla which is something new.

They're blatantly just trying to force their way into markets that they haven't been in before, which is fair enough but at least try to do it with some panache, why not try to make a completely new take on something? Why just whap a bigsby and scratchplate onto one of their current models?

They haven't.  The body shape is new.  It looks familar as it's got the PRS styling cues - cutaway contours, headstock design, Santana/Mira lower body etc.  It's evolution not revolution.

If I was Mr Smith, I would like to hope I'd just think "You know, I'm extremely succesful, I make shedloads of money making these instruments I've made my name with, people love them. I think I'll just keep trying to make better and better versions of these." True to the original vision, if you like.

I was surprised enough when they made the SE level models - likewise with Parker and their mid priced instruments - why bother? Why not just keep makking good quality stuff and try retain that niche brand identity.

You can't expand a business that way.  PRS wants to grow.

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Re: Didn't really like PRS's until.....
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2009, 12:51:53 PM »
a lot of die hard PRS fans didnt get this guitar, it's here to capture a market and it's doing a great job I think it looks fantastic.

not my bag and I wouldn't own one myself but they've gotta be someones thing!