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Philly Q

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Re: Nailbombs don't work well in my LP Custom
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2009, 11:05:21 AM »
OK - but would it be unmanageable as the Gibson Bridge sounds good to me (in every way!)  but the necky is a bit muffled, wooly or whatever you want to call it.  I just wondered if I put the HD in the neck and lowered it right down.

I don't know the specs of the Gibson HB-L, I think it's pretty high-output but the HD bridge is about 16K which is way too hot for a neck pickup (the HD neck is, I think, about 8K).  Even if you set it low I think it would overpower the bridge pickup and sound ridiculously boomy/bassy.

You could try, wire it in parallel!

What will that do? And how do I wire that?

If you wired the HD neck in parallel, you'd get a thinner, lower-output, more "single-coil" like sound.   It might sound good, but it won't give you a typical "neck humbucker" sound, at all.  The wiring would normally be done with a mini-switch or push-pull pot to select series or parallel, but you could wire it permanently in parallel like this:

Red & White : Hot
Green, Black & Bare : Ground

Up to you, but I just don't see the point of taking a BKP pickup which is designed to be used in the bridge position, in series, and putting it in the neck position, in parallel, just because it happens to be "lying around".  :?
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Re: Nailbombs don't work well in my LP Custom
« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2009, 11:09:44 AM »
parallel will give you a lower output different/brighter sound, from memory it's red & white hot, black&green ground,to be sure wait for another answer

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Re: Nailbombs don't work well in my LP Custom
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2009, 11:16:01 AM »
He could try it he has nothing to loose, some like the neck in parallel!

Philly Q

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Re: Nailbombs don't work well in my LP Custom
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2009, 11:33:58 AM »
Fair enough, it just seems a bit of a waste of a £90 BKP to use it as "an experiment".   Ending up with a bridge Holy Diver, in the neck position, in parallel, seems a long way removed from the start of this thread when the guy was looking for "a lovely warm Gary Moore-ish singing neck solo sound".

IMO, of course.  :P
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Re: Nailbombs don't work well in my LP Custom
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2009, 11:45:54 AM »
I do agree with you, however it is a costless "experiment" that is quite easy to reverse!

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Re: Nailbombs don't work well in my LP Custom
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2009, 01:39:52 PM »
I play everything from jazz to blues to rock to metal.  From Django to Dream Theater and from Joe Bonamassa to Trivium.  I have many guitars and the Les Paul I really want to be able to use it for metal/ rock/ blues.  I use my vol pot live so a hot p/u would suit I think.  The N/B is great but not as gritty as I want - it has a sharp top end. That might be the guitar of course, although it's a LP Custom that weighs about 10 tons!

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Re: Nailbombs don't work well in my LP Custom
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2009, 12:58:53 AM »
I play everything from jazz to blues to rock to metal.  From Django to Dream Theater and from Joe Bonamassa to Trivium.  I have many guitars and the Les Paul I really want to be able to use it for metal/ rock/ blues.  I use my vol pot live so a hot p/u would suit I think.  The N/B is great but not as gritty as I want - it has a sharp top end. That might be the guitar of course, although it's a LP Custom that weighs about 10 tons!

HD's?
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Will

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Re: Nailbombs don't work well in my LP Custom
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2009, 01:17:21 AM »
^ you may make your mind up on a user name soon ;)

Personally I am not sure about what pickup, maybe crawler, as from the clips it is very fat. A RY might be the more modern sounding alternative?

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Re: Nailbombs don't work well in my LP Custom
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2009, 01:54:20 AM »
I don't think that the Rebel Yell would be more modern than the Crawler. They're both medium/hot.
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Re: Nailbombs don't work well in my LP Custom
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2009, 02:09:30 AM »
The N/B is great but not as gritty as I want - it has a sharp top end.

2 pages later and I still don't understand  :?
what are you after?
what do you mean by gritty and what does it have to do with the sharp top end?
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Re: Nailbombs don't work well in my LP Custom
« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2009, 11:58:09 AM »
Thanks lads for your useful comments.

It is very difficult to describe sounds. One man's warm is another man's muffled. One man's powerful is another man's cold.

Gritty means 'with grit, dirt, distorted in a musical way, touch responsive in a valve amp'

A sharp top end means 'overpowering brittleness in the higher end of the frequency range, less warm, powerful but somewhat unmusical'

What I mean is I want a warm but powerful pickup.  The standard Gibson HB bridge sounds good - the neck sounds weak and muffled.

I am going to check out either a Holy Diver set or a Crawler set.

And yes I re-registered as I forgot I was even on the board. That's what going to Afghanistan and Iraq does to you!!  :(

Cheers,
Jim

Will

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Re: Nailbombs don't work well in my LP Custom
« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2009, 12:12:14 PM »
Have you thought about emailing BKP about this? they know their pickups better than anyone else

Philly Q

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Re: Nailbombs don't work well in my LP Custom
« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2009, 12:51:03 PM »
Or better still, phone them up and talk it through.  :)
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Re: Nailbombs don't work well in my LP Custom
« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2009, 12:53:20 PM »
Tim is awesome to talk to over the phone, a gentleman and a genius.

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Re: Nailbombs don't work well in my LP Custom
« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2009, 01:12:34 PM »
Like I said earlier in the thread. I think a calibrated set of Crawlers is what you want.

You can listen to my posted clips of the Crawlers for some idea of what the can sound like. All played with Line 6 Pod XT.

Melodic metal solo
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=10925.0

Paradise City - live
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3931.0

Slow blues
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=14573.0
Les Paul with Crawlers - Ibanez Jem with Nailbombs