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ericsabbath

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Re: PK and NB enigmas
« Reply #60 on: April 01, 2009, 12:25:35 AM »
Many many thanks for the top chrono input  :lol:

What about the mids in the C-NB ? more or less than the NB ? smoother or more biting than the NB ?

I read that ceramic "sucks" the mids of the A5, but don't know what to think about that...

can't answer that
maybe the great Nolly can
he said it's middy, just not melting middy like the painkiller
but ceramic magnets don't suck mids
usually A5 sounds LESS middy than ceramics, A2, A4, A8, A3, specially in PAF wound pickups, but that depends a lot on the winding
maybe the dry ceramic feel may cause some misunderstandment
people usually relate stiff/tight/dry picking response with scooped mids
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Re: PK and NB enigmas
« Reply #61 on: April 01, 2009, 12:29:44 AM »
My overwound MM is no less tight than my previous 2 mms in the same guitar. Tighter, if anything.

but he's talking about a very middy and already hot alnico pup
I doubt it will retain the same low end tightness with extra output, bass, mids, compression and less top end
not with the same winding
the miracle man and warpig have thinner wire to retain the treble and clarity (thinner wire = more resistance = less turns on the coil = less treble loss)

I'd really like to try a 18k cold sweat in my Gibson SG, though  :D
« Last Edit: April 01, 2009, 12:31:26 AM by Eric Hellstyle »
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Re: PK and NB enigmas
« Reply #62 on: April 01, 2009, 12:43:36 AM »
I'm aware of the differences in voicing and wire. Increased resistance also decreases treble.

One of the major  factors against an overwound NB is that it uses plain enamel wire, and only polysol can be taken up to such high DCs with good tonal results (i.e. Tim doesnt do it because he doesnt like it, I forget the details of why)

And the points you raise are moot anyway, since Tim compensates for deceased high transmission (greater run of the same wire) in the wind. Hence, my MM sounds the same as any other save its a bit more compressed and its way hotter. It would likely be brighter, in fact, were it not for the double screw pole.

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Re: PK and NB enigmas
« Reply #63 on: April 08, 2009, 09:24:22 PM »
When did you guys agreed for the last time ?  :lol:

Anyway. Heard back from Tim... 8) He didn't mention anything about tightness, but the idea to overwound standard pickups doesn't seem to please him 'that much', and as for the NB he didn't seem to think it could be a good idea...
A NB is somewhere in between 15,7K to 15,9K and he advised against pushing it more than that. The pickup are designed to give the best equilibrium between treble and bass / middle. He explained me that overwounding would break this equilibrium while lowering the trebble and raising the bass / middle, for a too dark sounding result..

I also sent him some precise samples of the sounds I am after (Modern Deth, L. Park, D. Theater) and The Man, answered quietly and so easily  :rock:: 'hey Vic, I can get all the tone you want here using a MM !'

But for a more versatile alternative to the MM (which is what I am looking for) he said NB because the HD would be too rounded for what I am after (I already was unsure about having enough agressivity with the NB, and he said the HD was less agressive, even though it is hotter...)

So I applied the forum rule number one and will see what happen next.... Thanks again guys ! 

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Re: PK and NB enigmas
« Reply #64 on: April 08, 2009, 09:40:35 PM »
You ordered pickups!!?!?!

Well $%&# me sideways, I thought this day would never come. A decision!!! Yay for decisions!!!

Congrats, tell us what you th....wait, I dont think we need to tell you that, huh? ;)

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Re: PK and NB enigmas
« Reply #65 on: April 08, 2009, 09:56:12 PM »
 :lol: :lol:

A Nailbomb has been launched...

And Thanks for your lights on this 5 pages topic Sir Yoda ! You pointed it pretty well with Antag on the MM / HD options !

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