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Re: Enslaved Primordial pickup question
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2009, 06:37:18 AM »
Like what?
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Re: Enslaved Primordial pickup question
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2009, 05:04:38 PM »
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Re: Enslaved Primordial pickup question
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2009, 07:09:25 PM »
Like what?

uhm... the only vintagey pickups i've got are a set of Mississippi Queens (humbucker sized p90s, that rock but are not what you 're looking for) (i'd try to play some black metal with them, though... if i'll have the time to do it i'll post something wicked soon! ;)) and a Sultan sincle coil (that definitely is not what you look for!)... i've got every contemporary pickup except for MMs, but they'll arrive soon...
so this is a long way to tell you that i can't but suggest you something obvious, like the Mules. there's plenty of heavy samples made with them, if you search the forum. tom did most of them, but he's into doom-stoner mainly.
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Re: Enslaved Primordial pickup question
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2009, 03:54:03 AM »
I dig stoner doom...like what some early Cathedral or Sleep? I mentioned enslaved but mainly because they have a more vintage tone then most other black metal bands...I really like bands like Enslaved, Primordial and Opeth they all seem to take Vintage equipment along with vintage ideas and merge it with death metal or black metal...out of the three I like Primordial's tone the most.

And essentially I want a similar tone on my new 7 string that I just ordered. Therefore I have been looking at the The Mule, Black Dogs and Abraxas.

However, I mainly play death metal etc. and I know I would be satisfied with the Nailbomb, warpig and painkiller but if I can take the vintage pickups and push them with my Engl  blackmore head into something nice then that would be great.

I already have one 7 string with Dimarzio D-Activators and I have a 6 string with Dimarzio X2N and Super 2...so it is safe to say I usually buy hi-output pickups designed for the heaviest of metal...and like I said I am never unhappy with pickups of that nature I just would really like to be able to get a tone more like a Metal band in the late 70's. Those bands always had more character in their tone due to the lack of good distortion. These days everything sounds the same...I want it to be very clear chords under hi-gain and I want it to be beyod organic and non-metallic...
I already have several guitars that sound smooth compressed and modern
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Re: Enslaved Primordial pickup question
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2009, 08:02:07 AM »
a mule bridge with a MQ neck or a mule set is an effective combination (i haven't got yet mules but they're next - and last, i've finished my guitars! - in the list)... you could try also PiG90s in MQ cases... they're fat single coils wound hotter than most humbuckers (usually they're paired with warpigs)... i have got one in neck position and it's simply outrageously nasty and HUGE sounding while retaining every bit of a single coil clarity and attack... if you look for an unusual sound and love 70s metal this could be your choice!

http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=15397.0

here's a little comparison among the lead tones of a lot of pickups... i think it's clear that i love PL! ;)

for more incisive rhythm samples of bridge pig90 look again for _tom_ , he's done quite a bunch of them.
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Re: Enslaved Primordial pickup question
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2010, 11:24:39 PM »
Just wanted to chime in and bump this thread, for the sake of others looking for "vintage" black metal tone....

There's a band out there, that absolutely follows no previous formula of tradition with their black metal, and their sound is as Vintage as black metal can get - Christicide...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7U_5YA5gaM

Would have picked a different song, but sound quality of other youtube videos hosting their songs was complete ass.  Would not be the least bit surprised if this band used BK's, as the tone is always thick, tight and articulated.  No Dimmu Borgir ass-clown facepaint here.....aux légions noires françaises!

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Re: Enslaved Primordial pickup question
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2010, 09:47:39 PM »
very nice song, french BM bands are really emerging lately... their tone is very "classic", mildly distorted and very clear... i hear some burzum influence in riffing, here.
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Re: Enslaved Primordial pickup question
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2010, 10:39:29 PM »
Haha, well it's fair to say you'll hear Burzum influence with any music involving Satan to emerge within the last 20 years...

He (Burzum) belongs in the prototypal category along with Bathory, Venom, and Darkthrone, while evolving it's own complete entity within the genre.

France is really ascending its own torch of originality in this genre, that nowadays suffers so greatly from too much of the same.

BTW, i just checked out a couple Primordial albums and LOVE it!!! See what you mean about the vintage BM tone, so i figured i'd share some more (with Christicide).  Blood Revolt is also killer, more cuz of that same singer (as Primordial), but with a different feel to the music and content.  If you guys are into this stuff and are sick of all the same old shiteee, fear not, there's alot of great bands out there, and most of it's mostly popping up in France and a few random places around the US.
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Re: Enslaved Primordial pickup question
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2010, 11:16:42 PM »
Haha, well it's fair to say you'll hear Burzum influence with any music involving Satan to emerge within the last 20 years...

I like to think that there's plenty extreme metal, including black metal, out there that owes nothing to that Nazi asshole.

I also thought it a little odd to read you cite Burzum as fathers of black metal, but not Mayhem or Emperor.


Anyroads, France IS doing well for itself currently, in terms of black metal. Celeste is another to look for. But Britain is doing itself proud at the moment and in recent years with the likes of <code> (even if I'm being a wee bit sneaky claiming them), Caina, Fen, The Meads of Asphodel, A Forest of Stars, Dragged into Sunlight, Anaal Nathrakh...



EDIT: The above post comes across more hostile than I intended, wont change it though, as it makes a point, and I've strong feelings on the matter, playing militantly left wing black metal influenced bands and being extremely involved in the UK extreme metal scene, it's a cause of endless frustration that folks still insist on idolising several murderers, racists and bigots in black metal circles.  :(
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Re: Enslaved Primordial pickup question
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2010, 11:58:22 PM »
Haha, well it's fair to say you'll hear Burzum influence with any music involving Satan to emerge within the last 20 years...

I like to think that there's plenty extreme metal, including black metal, out there that owes nothing to that Nazi asshole.

I also thought it a little odd to read you cite Burzum as fathers of black metal, but not Mayhem or Emperor.


It was more to state him being a proto-patriarch in the type of black metal niche he does; it wasn't for the sake of stating lineage.  Those bands surely belong in there, but if any fairweather reader feels they that info, he can just crack up on black metal historical knowledge via wikipedia or something.

You missed my context, i said involving 'Satan', not black metal or extreme metal.  Not that his music is nowadays a strong advocate thereof - simply that the darker, more atmospheric bands (with direct or indirect influence from burzum) tend to follow that subject matter and/or would undoubtedly be aware of his presence, at the very least.

And you can't judge his influence on black metal based on your view of his politics, that's we call bias - plus, alot of those guys were capricious enough in their youth to swing from many different contradicting angles; even Dark Throne claimed NS ideals for a short time.  Just like he's out of jail now and claims nothing of the sort, by way adorning SS fatigues and other shock value hijinks - he simply grew out of it.  Read the lyrics for Belus; just more folky, mythological tales about mountains and pagan lore.

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Re: Enslaved Primordial pickup question
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2010, 12:08:15 AM »
Haha, well it's fair to say you'll hear Burzum influence with any music involving Satan to emerge within the last 20 years...

I like to think that there's plenty extreme metal, including black metal, out there that owes nothing to that Nazi asshole.

I also thought it a little odd to read you cite Burzum as fathers of black metal, but not Mayhem or Emperor.


It was more to state him being a proto-patriarch in the type of black metal niche he does; it wasn't for the sake of stating lineage.  Those bands surely belong in there, but if any fairweather reader feels they that info, he can just crack up on black metal historical knowledge via wikipedia or something.

You missed my context, i said involving 'Satan', not black metal or extreme metal.  Not that his music is nowadays a strong advocate thereof - simply that the darker, more atmospheric bands (with direct or indirect influence from burzum) tend to follow that subject matter and/or would undoubtedly be aware of his presence, at the very least.

That's even farther removed, potentially. Any music involving "satan" owes influence to Varg Vikernes, you said, really? Come now. Aware of his presence, well, most will be, but it doesn't make it an influence.

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And you can't judge his influence on black metal based on your view of his politics, that's we call bias

I didn't judge his influence based on his politics. I judge him based on his politics.

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- plus, alot of those guys were capricious enough in their youth to swing from many different contradicting angles; even Dark Throne claimed NS ideals for a short time.  Just like he's out of jail now and claims nothing of the sort, by way adorning SS fatigues and other shock value hijinks - he simply grew out of it.  Read the lyrics for Belus; just more folky, mythological tales about mountains and pagan lore.

You're right many of them did, for the most part they were daft little boys trying to kid on they were evil. They weren't all trying to get books about their stance on blood pollution and the Aryan Front published in their 30's though. The new record, the one with this press release?

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"As you might already know, my dear ladies and gentlemen, and others individuals too, I am no friend of the modern so-called black metal culture. It is a tasteless, low-brow parody of Norwegian so-called black metal anno 1991-1992, and if it was up to me, it would meet its dishonourable end as soon as possible. However, rather than abandon my own music, only because others have soiled its name by claiming to have something in common with it, I will stick to it. The 'black metallers' will probably continue to 'get loaded,' 'get high,' and in all other manners too behave like the stereotypical Negro; they will probably continue to get foreign tribal tattoos, dress, walk, talk, look and act like homosexuals, and so forth.

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Re: Enslaved Primordial pickup question
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2010, 12:13:30 AM »
This reminds me of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKzlfqmzpQ

Which cracks me up.

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Re: Enslaved Primordial pickup question
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2010, 12:49:30 AM »
Haha, well it's fair to say you'll hear Burzum influence with any music involving Satan to emerge within the last 20 years...

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That's even farther removed, potentially. Any music involving "satan" owes influence to Varg Vikernes, you said, really? Come now. Aware of his presence, well, most will be, but it doesn't make it an influence.


Absolutely. Although I should have narrowed the label to "atmosphere-heavy black metal", as most people wouldn't immediately recognize the contextual main force and message behind a band such as Christicide. As your quote relates, Varg does not stand behind the modern wave of black metal, doesn't mean we can't site him as a proto-influence to this type of music (again, not all black metal.. HIS type!).

Any black metal band that adorns a baphomet in their log or album over owes a little, however small, homage to something like Venom or Bathory; as does any black metal band with a song over 7 minutes and involves a long, drony, 2 chord melody owes a little nod to Burzum.

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You're right many of them did, for the most part they were daft little boys trying to kid on they were evil. They weren't all trying to get books about their stance on blood pollution and the Aryan Front published in their 30's though. The new record, the one with this press release?


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"As you might already know, my dear ladies and gentlemen, and others individuals too, I am no friend of the modern so-called black metal culture. It is a tasteless, low-brow parody of Norwegian so-called black metal anno 1991-1992, and if it was up to me, it would meet its dishonourable end as soon as possible. However, rather than abandon my own music, only because others have soiled its name by claiming to have something in common with it, I will stick to it. The 'black metallers' will probably continue to 'get loaded,' 'get high,' and in all other manners too behave like the stereotypical Negro; they will probably continue to get foreign tribal tattoos, dress, walk, talk, look and act like homosexuals, and so forth.

Hmmm... is this suppose to convince me that he's a Nazi?  Cuz, i'm not sure throwing the word 'Negro' around constitutes anything more than it's intended context, saying he thought modern black-metallers were full of shite party fag frat dudes... Sounds like fairly typical cynicism to me; if you're lookin for "PC" thoughts to come out of any strong-voiced, opinionated black metal band, then you're feelings are gonna get hurt pretty damn bad!!! If any central theme is shared between all those associated with this music, it's alienation, which he summarizes here pretty well.

As to not completely saturate this thread i'd please ask that you continue this debate in PM, as it seems we've gone way off topic.  Although Primordial might just have a slight bit of Burzum influence (just a nibble, snack-size, maybe....hahah.)

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Re: Enslaved Primordial pickup question
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2010, 09:16:45 AM »
Anyway, back on topic - I have Mules in an all mahogany Yam SG200, and they do a great vintage Sabbath, if that helps you at all.

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Re: Enslaved Primordial pickup question
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2010, 06:35:56 PM »
This reminds me of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKzlfqmzpQ

Which cracks me up.

well, i found this one. hilarious...
Mule, MQ, Stockholm, CS, RY, MM, PK, ANB, CNB, AWP, CWP, PiG90...

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