amp dilema continues...

[the prince of shred]

right i want/need a new amp...
its for modern metal really, i want to achieve sounds like machine head, children of bodom, trivium, bullet for my vallentine etc... generic modern metal really 
big bass, cutting punchy mids, searing top end,
however i would also like a touch of versatility... some ok cleans n lower gain sounds...
i am currently considering a marshall dsl-50 and was considering a peavey 6505 but the price rise is ridiculous...
do you guys reckon the dsl-50 could do those kind of levels of gain? is the dsl100 "heavier"? what about the jvm205?
i played the mashall 85th aniversary edition 100 watt head n really liked it and apparently thats basically the dsl100 with a tiny touch more gain.....

sorry if you guys want me to clarify stuff as i may be unclear....

any suggestions as to what amp i should get??

my budget is around 700 quid

[dheim]

i'd say whatever you like but NOT a marshall! not for the kind of sound you described...
i'm getting monotonous but have you ever tried a bugera? they're cheap but sound like great amps and mine hasn't blown up yet after a year...  :)

[the prince of shred]

really? too much brittish voice in the marshalls? not modern enough??
i have but im just very dubious about them....

[Adam.M]

I think a Bugera 6260 or 6262 would be right up your street.

Machine Head, Trivium and BFMV use Peavey 5150/6505 and the Bugera is essentially a straight copy of it.

Bodom from what I can recall use Lee Jackson GP-1000 pre-amps into a power amp. I've seen him use TSL's and Peavey's as poweramps.

Yeah, you're definitely best off with the Bugera! or a second hand Peavey.

[hunter]

I was at the Bugera booth this weekend on Frankfurt MusikMesse, and I have to say their 333XL is a crushing amp for modern styles, an amazing bottom end and crunch. I cannot judge on the build quality, but your budget would give you that amp and some spare money - and when you buy at Thomann or so, you'd have 3y warranty anyways. Try it!

http://www.bugera-amps.com/EN/products/333XL.aspx

[James C]

Alexei from COB has also used the Kerry King Signature amp, which has the built in noisegate and assault control, which sounds pretty good although i'd advise trying one out, should be able to get for 700 if you haggle

[Roobubba]

I would got for a second hand 5150 or 5150-II. You'll end up saving up and buying one anyway, so why not cut out the middle man!?

PS I picked up a 5150-II plus angled 5150 cab for 700 about 2 years ago. Don't be scared of getting these amps second hand, they are built to last (and, like all tube amps, a little bit of well-spent maintenance money (or DIY time!) will keep them lasting good as new for a LONG time!)

[the prince of shred]

ok so despite everything cost wise im guna wait till my next paycheck n buy somthing around the 800 pound mark now....
so seeing as this broadens my horizons further.... what amp??

looking at: peavey 6505, engl firball, any others??

[Alex]

I do know those bands ;-) and have seen them live more than once ;-) and I do have a 5150 myself.

I also have a Krank Rev Jr. I use that much more now. To be honest, both amps would nail that type of metal tone... and a Marshall JVM as well.
The Krank has a bit more slamming rhythms, the 5150 fatter solo sounds and the JVM is just a really great solid amp in all categories.

I would not recommend the DSL or TSL series at all. However somebody pointed out the Kerry King JCM800 - that is actually my "dream amp" a bit, I don't have one because it is way too large and loud.
The Fireball is a great amp, but tonally it is more in the ENGL/Mesa area (ENGL always reminds me of Hammerfall or Dimmu Borgir somehow).

[hunter]

ok so despite everything cost wise im guna wait till my next paycheck n buy somthing around the 800 pound mark now....
so seeing as this broadens my horizons further.... what amp??

looking at: peavey 6505, engl firball, any others??

If you're lucky you can find a Soldano Avenger for about 900 GBP used. Doesn't get much better than that ... well maybe a bit too smooth for your tones.

I agree with the JVM, it feels a bit fiddly but sounds really great!

[the prince of shred]

does the jvm get heavier than the dsl etc then?
does the 210/205 have the same levels of gain on tap or less than the 410?
how is the firball tonally different to the peavy? tighter with less mids?
n i havnt even heard the kk marshall whats it like? doesnt it sound abit more brittish and old school thrash style??

[the prince of shred]

also anyone ever played a laney gh50l or gh100 tommi iommi sig?? what are these amps like? the ti version got lots of gain??

[Adam.M]

Alexei from COB has also used the Kerry King Signature amp, which has the built in noisegate and assault control, which sounds pretty good although i'd advise trying one out, should be able to get for 700 if you haggle

Yes, this is one of many amps he has used as a power amp. He just uses the power sections of the amps. For which the KK head is a good choice, KT-88's in them i believe?

And it looks cool! i think thats why he doesn't use a full rack unit, the heads look cooler on stage.

I still say he should get a 5150-esque amp.

[murraymurray]

are you saying the KK looks cool? or just having a head on stage looks cool?
since id have to say the KK is one of the ugliest amps around thanks to the tribals on the grill

[the prince of shred]

are you saying the KK looks cool? or just having a head on stage looks cool?
since id have to say the KK is one of the ugliest amps around thanks to the tribals on the grill

id have to agree with that ... it is ugly but thats not important...