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Re: Speaking of Gibson!
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2009, 12:38:40 PM »
Hmmm...

I think the look of the pickups spoils it...

But otherwise.... I quite like it , quite a lot :lol:
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Re: Speaking of Gibson!
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2009, 01:13:09 PM »
Hmmm...

I think the look of the pickups spoils it...

But otherwise.... I quite like it , quite a lot :lol:

Hang on, is this "Mister Anything-post-1963-is-too-modern" speaking?  :P


i like it ok.  if they do another sg or les paul they get criticised, if they do something a bit different it's just not gibson.  they can't really win, can they?

i think the point of the guitar of the week thing is to try out lots of different ideas in small runs to see what works and what doesn't.  many will be forgotten, or derided, but some will be classics, and may even become production models.  i like the whole concept.

Fair point, but the concepts are usually only half-developed - if you're going to try an SG-meets-superstrat, why not come up with a six-per-side headstock to complement the body shape?  Even an old Epiphone headstock shape might have worked.  Maybe they could experiment with a bolt-on neck or different pickups.

Frankly, most of the GOTW models look like ways of using up leftover parts, not try-outs of new ideas at all.
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Re: Speaking of Gibson!
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2009, 01:39:09 PM »
I think gibson hired someone from bc rich to try and bling up an SG... and failed

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Re: Speaking of Gibson!
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2009, 01:41:50 PM »
Fair point, but the concepts are usually only half-developed - if you're going to try an SG-meets-superstrat, why not come up with a six-per-side headstock to complement the body shape?  Even an old Epiphone headstock shape might have worked.  Maybe they could experiment with a bolt-on neck or different pickups.
Good point - I think the Firebird headstock may have worked better on this, and perhaps instead of the mirrored batwing pickguard they could have cut it in half? '61 SG style, perhaps? And why have colour-matched pickup covers and then leave the knobs black?

Don't get me wrong, it would still be pretty unpleasant to look at, but as it stands that thing looks like someone fed a 4-year-old's drawing of an SG into a CAD machine. It seems that Gibson currently tend to rough out an idea and leave it unfinished before they go to production. I think the satin white Explorer and V with tacky "tribal" art that looks like something from a temporary tattoo set are pretty lazy as well, and would be a lot nicer without the graphics.

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Re: Speaking of Gibson!
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2009, 08:01:56 PM »
that's awful :lol:

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Re: Speaking of Gibson!
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2009, 08:35:58 PM »
####!!s.

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Re: Speaking of Gibson!
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2009, 11:00:05 PM »

Why are all URLs on their site containing the word "Lifestyle"?

Is that to compensate for lacking product quality or lack of strength in innovation?
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Re: Speaking of Gibson!
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2009, 12:42:29 PM »
I dunno, I wish Gibson would quit innovating.

If they stuck to guitars like they made in the old days, they wouldn't be nearly as annoying a company as they are when they try to get clever. The "Robot"? Didn't think so.

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Re: Speaking of Gibson!
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2009, 12:55:57 PM »

Why are all URLs on their site containing the word "Lifestyle"?

Is that to compensate for lacking product quality or lack of strength in innovation?
Because they make lifestyle products like fridges and hard disks too. Why would anyone buy a Gibson hard disk?

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Re: Speaking of Gibson!
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2009, 01:13:18 PM »
is it because you need an affluent lifestyle to afford one?

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Re: Speaking of Gibson!
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2009, 01:37:30 PM »
I dunno, I wish Gibson would quit innovating.

If they stuck to guitars like they made in the old days, they wouldn't be nearly as annoying a company as they are when they try to get clever. The "Robot"? Didn't think so.

but when they do that, people complain that they don't do anything new.

i think the robot, the digital guitar and the dark fire (despite it's silly name) are great innovations.  they are in their infancy still, but i think these technologies will have a real impact on the future of our instrument.

if they'd been encased in the body of a Parker Fly, they'd be hailed as marvellous new inventions, but because they're in a Les Paul many people seem to view them almost as blasphemous!

i agree that gibson's corporate structure, it's quality control and it's custom shop pricing are all distasteful.  but the same can be said about many companies;  PRS may have better QC, but their limited editions are even more obscene than Gibson's.  £30,000 for a guitar that Paul himself looked in on while it was built?  with Mammoth ivory inlays!  the next thing'll be an all brazillian rosewood mccarty, with inlays made from Ted McCarty's own shinbones!

yes, gibson make some things at massively inflated prices for collectors, but like any company they are taking advantage of a market to make money.  if no one bought them, they wouldn't make them.  they have also, in recent years, started making more affordable guitars like the faded series, which several forumites own and love.  they are not the evil empire some people make them out to be.
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Re: Speaking of Gibson!
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2009, 02:03:26 PM »
Hmmm...

I think the look of the pickups spoils it...

But otherwise.... I quite like it , quite a lot :lol:

Hang on, is this "Mister Anything-post-1963-is-too-modern" speaking?  :P

:lol: Yeah I was also thinking that while my opinion was forming... Can't explain it though - maybe it just looks "old" to me. Looks kinda "50s" maybe?
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Re: Speaking of Gibson!
« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2009, 03:20:28 PM »
Don't get me wrong, you won't hear me praise PRS. Tastes differ, but I don't like the way they look; I don't like the way they play; I don't like the way they sound.

Other than that, PRS guitars are OK.

Parker? Meh. I don't have a problem with them but I don't exactly lust after them either. I wouldn't lust after them if they built Robots, either.

But as I said, tastes differ.

I dunno, I wish Gibson would quit innovating.

If they stuck to guitars like they made in the old days, they wouldn't be nearly as annoying a company as they are when they try to get clever. The "Robot"? Didn't think so.

but when they do that, people complain that they don't do anything new.

i think the robot, the digital guitar and the dark fire (despite it's silly name) are great innovations.  they are in their infancy still, but i think these technologies will have a real impact on the future of our instrument.

if they'd been encased in the body of a Parker Fly, they'd be hailed as marvellous new inventions, but because they're in a Les Paul many people seem to view them almost as blasphemous!

i agree that gibson's corporate structure, it's quality control and it's custom shop pricing are all distasteful.  but the same can be said about many companies;  PRS may have better QC, but their limited editions are even more obscene than Gibson's.  £30,000 for a guitar that Paul himself looked in on while it was built?  with Mammoth ivory inlays!  the next thing'll be an all brazillian rosewood mccarty, with inlays made from Ted McCarty's own shinbones!

yes, gibson make some things at massively inflated prices for collectors, but like any company they are taking advantage of a market to make money.  if no one bought them, they wouldn't make them.  they have also, in recent years, started making more affordable guitars like the faded series, which several forumites own and love.  they are not the evil empire some people make them out to be.

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Re: Speaking of Gibson!
« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2009, 04:08:39 PM »
I dunno, I wish Gibson would quit innovating.

If they stuck to guitars like they made in the old days, they wouldn't be nearly as annoying a company as they are when they try to get clever. The "Robot"? Didn't think so.

but when they do that, people complain that they don't do anything new.

i think the robot, the digital guitar and the dark fire (despite it's silly name) are great innovations.  they are in their infancy still, but i think these technologies will have a real impact on the future of our instrument.

if they'd been encased in the body of a Parker Fly, they'd be hailed as marvellous new inventions, but because they're in a Les Paul many people seem to view them almost as blasphemous!

i agree that gibson's corporate structure, it's quality control and it's custom shop pricing are all distasteful.  but the same can be said about many companies;  PRS may have better QC, but their limited editions are even more obscene than Gibson's.  £30,000 for a guitar that Paul himself looked in on while it was built?  with Mammoth ivory inlays!  the next thing'll be an all brazillian rosewood mccarty, with inlays made from Ted McCarty's own shinbones!

yes, gibson make some things at massively inflated prices for collectors, but like any company they are taking advantage of a market to make money.  if no one bought them, they wouldn't make them.  they have also, in recent years, started making more affordable guitars like the faded series, which several forumites own and love.  they are not the evil empire some people make them out to be.

absolutely.
you can't blame Gibson and praise PRS, that has got currently 2 guitar designs and makes 120 variations of both, with absurd prices...
and some innovation is not that bad. don't get me wrong, i don't need either a robot guitar or a pickup-blending-with-piezo-plus-digital stuff... but i don't criticize gibson because they do it. maybe it's just an attempt, maybe every guitar will be built that way in the future... i don't know, but this IS innovation. you can like it or not, but it's something almost new...
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Re: Speaking of Gibson!
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2009, 04:52:08 PM »
Why am I being accused of praising PRS?