How many do you need?

[MDV]

Was a time when some folks that didn't want acoustic did want a koo stark(sp)

Oh, and no one NEEDS to play guitar in the first place. Hate to get semi-philosophical on you but a 'need' is just something you want to facilitate something else you want. Need = 2nd order want.

For example, I need to eat = I want to not be hungry, therefore I need to eat.

I need a new guitar = I want a guitar that has/can do/comes with/doesnt has/etc so I can use other tuning/have trem/no trem/more frets/less frets/different pickup config/different tone/different shape/be smug/brag on internet/subjugate n00bs

The term need was qualified with the requirement of tones and styles wanted therefore was a subset need generated by a want and identified implicitly in the statement, having already stipulated the process of choice the term need is entirely applicable.

The original enquiry proposed 'need' as being the selection of a guitar by an apriori or conditional justification leading to the aquisition of a guitar. I put it to you that in place of this requirement for rational underpinning of accumulation of guitars, a need in general is an abstract and misleading concept whereby one fails to consider the underlying desires that drive all needs. Need is therefore means to fulfilment of desire or aversion of undesired consequence. In light of this modification to the original stipulation of a (limited) selection process all guitar purchase decisions (as, ultimately, with everything else) may be reduced to

"I have it because I wanted it, so I got it".  

Pure sophistry.

Sorry MDV... But it is and you know it..

Let's not get into a philosophy debate over GAS.  PDT_038  PDT_019

Awwwww but its fun :(

[MDV]

The original enquiry proposed 'need' as being the selection of a guitar by an apriori or conditional justification leading to the aquisition of a guitar. I put it to you that in place of this requirement for rational underpinning of accumulation of guitars, a need in general is an abstract and misleading concept whereby one fails to consider the underlying desires that drive all needs. Need is therefore means to fulfilment of desire or aversion of undesired consequence. In light of this modification to the original stipulation of a (limited) selection process all guitar purchase decisions (as, ultimately, with everything else) may be reduced to

"I have it because I wanted it, so I got it".  

The qualification was based on the designation of the primary function of a guitar, its purpose for existance namely the production of musical sounds. The identification of need was qualified with the "want" to produce a particulary range of musical styles or tones having made the decision to produce those sounds then there is now the need to have the capable instrument. Instruments procured outside of this scope would not be fulfilling the need with respect to the primary function.

It is need in the same way that a cyclist in order to cycle needs a bike, The cyclist that wants to race on a track needs a track bike and a cyclist that wants to compete in down hill  needs a mountain bike. The need in this case is produced by the specific subset requirements of the particular activity.

These criteria are too limited, and fail to consider the many aspects of a guitar that are not musical per se, and may cause one to find any given example desirable.

These include, but are not limited to, feel, playability, looks, weight, nostalgic value, ascosiation with respected musician and and so on.

There are many reasons to want a guitar, and a lot of them have no connection with the sound or sounds its capable of producing.

Your analogy is applicable (if superflous, you may have simply said that you need a guitar to play a guitar, rather than complicate the matter with yet another indulgent and expensive hobby!), but the reasons one may find to 'need' a guitar are far more varied, emotional, ascosiative, asthetic and kinesthetic than the requisite of having the device to perform the function.

[Afghan Dave]

Was a time when some folks that didn't want acoustic did want a koo stark(sp)

Oh, and no one NEEDS to play guitar in the first place. Hate to get semi-philosophical on you but a 'need' is just something you want to facilitate something else you want. Need = 2nd order want.

For example, I need to eat = I want to not be hungry, therefore I need to eat.

I need a new guitar = I want a guitar that has/can do/comes with/doesnt has/etc so I can use other tuning/have trem/no trem/more frets/less frets/different pickup config/different tone/different shape/be smug/brag on internet/subjugate n00bs

The term need was qualified with the requirement of tones and styles wanted therefore was a subset need generated by a want and identified implicitly in the statement, having already stipulated the process of choice the term need is entirely applicable.

The original enquiry proposed 'need' as being the selection of a guitar by an apriori or conditional justification leading to the aquisition of a guitar. I put it to you that in place of this requirement for rational underpinning of accumulation of guitars, a need in general is an abstract and misleading concept whereby one fails to consider the underlying desires that drive all needs. Need is therefore means to fulfilment of desire or aversion of undesired consequence. In light of this modification to the original stipulation of a (limited) selection process all guitar purchase decisions (as, ultimately, with everything else) may be reduced to

"I have it because I wanted it, so I got it".  

Pure sophistry.

Sorry MDV... But it is and you know it..

Let's not get into a philosophy debate over GAS.  PDT_038  PDT_019

Awwwww but its fun :(

Putting aside the many deontological issues axiomatic to your response...

 PDT_031 PDT_008 PDT_002

[Twinfan]

I have 18 guitars ranging in value from not many quid to quite a lot.  They fall into two categories:

1)  Working guitars

These are my giggers, the usual guitars I will use live.  Sometimes I will gig others, but these are the "must haves" for me.

2)  Nice to haves

These are category (B).  And here I totally agree with MDV:

You can have as many as you want, for whatever reason you want. Case closed. NEXT!

[ailean]

Was a time when some folks that didn't want acoustic did want a koo stark(sp)

Oh, and no one NEEDS to play guitar in the first place. Hate to get semi-philosophical on you but a 'need' is just something you want to facilitate something else you want. Need = 2nd order want.

For example, I need to eat = I want to not be hungry, therefore I need to eat.

I need a new guitar = I want a guitar that has/can do/comes with/doesnt has/etc so I can use other tuning/have trem/no trem/more frets/less frets/different pickup config/different tone/different shape/be smug/brag on internet/subjugate n00bs

The term need was qualified with the requirement of tones and styles wanted therefore was a subset need generated by a want and identified implicitly in the statement, having already stipulated the process of choice the term need is entirely applicable.

The original enquiry proposed 'need' as being the selection of a guitar by an apriori or conditional justification leading to the aquisition of a guitar. I put it to you that in place of this requirement for rational underpinning of accumulation of guitars, a need in general is an abstract and misleading concept whereby one fails to consider the underlying desires that drive all needs. Need is therefore means to fulfilment of desire or aversion of undesired consequence. In light of this modification to the original stipulation of a (limited) selection process all guitar purchase decisions (as, ultimately, with everything else) may be reduced to

"I have it because I wanted it, so I got it".  

Pure sophistry.

Sorry MDV... But it is and you know it..

Let's not get into a philosophy debate over GAS.  PDT_038  PDT_019

Awwwww but its fun :(

Someones getting tetchy, must be GAS  :D


Ok, we have 7 x 6 string electric and 1 acoustic (or Akoostik)

A little from A certainly
some from B, but it's more a case of I want a guitar that can do a particular style reasonably well, rather than a 'I always wanted'


As for amps....

A and D all the way :)

[WezV]

the need for me currently works like this.

I need a bass guitar.   I have a vintage Teisco bass guitar i have decided to sell as the sound is not modern enough - its short scale with mahogany body so has a tendency to fart low notes at you  in that special way some vintage basses can.  I have made a few basses before but they are either sold or out on loan to friends.  The ones out on loan are my older work and do not reflect how i build stuff now.  I dont have a bass i have built at home so i need to build one to show people who want to commission me to build a bass.

I clearly need a bass guitar - and i am about halfway through the process of sorting it out!!

I need a new guitar.  I brought an original fender wide range humbucker from HTH and now i need a guitar to put it in.  I dont have any guitars here that would suit a vintage fender pickup so i have decided to create a squier 51 style guitar with tele bridge, blackguard bridge pickup and a few other things i want to try for a kinda retro mixing the styles guitar in a fano guitars way.

I suppose i dont really need a new guitar, maybe this is just want, but i am having one anyway!!! :P

[MDV]

Was a time when some folks that didn't want acoustic did want a koo stark(sp)

Oh, and no one NEEDS to play guitar in the first place. Hate to get semi-philosophical on you but a 'need' is just something you want to facilitate something else you want. Need = 2nd order want.

For example, I need to eat = I want to not be hungry, therefore I need to eat.

I need a new guitar = I want a guitar that has/can do/comes with/doesnt has/etc so I can use other tuning/have trem/no trem/more frets/less frets/different pickup config/different tone/different shape/be smug/brag on internet/subjugate n00bs

The term need was qualified with the requirement of tones and styles wanted therefore was a subset need generated by a want and identified implicitly in the statement, having already stipulated the process of choice the term need is entirely applicable.

The original enquiry proposed 'need' as being the selection of a guitar by an apriori or conditional justification leading to the aquisition of a guitar. I put it to you that in place of this requirement for rational underpinning of accumulation of guitars, a need in general is an abstract and misleading concept whereby one fails to consider the underlying desires that drive all needs. Need is therefore means to fulfilment of desire or aversion of undesired consequence. In light of this modification to the original stipulation of a (limited) selection process all guitar purchase decisions (as, ultimately, with everything else) may be reduced to

"I have it because I wanted it, so I got it".  

Pure sophistry.

Sorry MDV... But it is and you know it..

Let's not get into a philosophy debate over GAS.  PDT_038  PDT_019

Awwwww but its fun :(

Putting aside the many deontological issues axiomatic to your response...

 PDT_031 PDT_008 PDT_002

I fail to see how rational justificaiton of my moral obligations to others pertains to GASosophy being fun?

n.b. the above use of 'axiomatic' is rather jarring and ostensibly nonsensical, would you be kind enough to avail me of the deeper wisdom behind the use of the term in this context - how is the ethical irrationality of my enjoyment of philosphising about GAS connected to the application of a universally applicable truth?

[MDV]

Oh, I forgot all the obligatory text-doesnt-convey-tone-so-these-will-do-instead thingies:

 :D 8) :lol: :P :o :o :shock: :D

Yep. Thats a pretty accurate representation of my intended tone.

[Copperhead]

E

I always get comments to this end, along with "Exactly how many guitars do you have?"
Like I tell my wife, "I don't know, I stopped counting....." :lol:

[ailean]

along with number you need.

Sorry I missed this bit.

I need n+1 guitars, where n is the number I will have when the next one turns up.

[MDV]

along with number you need.

Sorry I missed this bit.

I need n+1 guitars, where n is the number I will have when the next one turns up.

:lol:

I'd sig that, but its too big :(

[_tom_]

I only have guitars I use, so currently 2 electrics and 1 acoustic. I have a feeling that when I get my next one, I will never use my Epiphone (I hardly use it as it is since I got a good setup on the Pearl) and thus I will want to sell it as itd basically be redundant. Just cant stand having things sat around doing nothing!

Only need one though really, I can easily get by with one good guitar.

[PhilKing]

My theory is you should have at least as many guitars as you are years old!  How many do I need, well that depends, I currently have 8 basses, all sound different and all play differently.  Do I need 8 basses? Yes - if I want the particular sound of a Jazz Bass vs a Thunderbird, then I need the bass to get it.  Same with acoustics, I have a Gibson J185, a Martin 000-28, a 1917 Washburn Parlour, an Ovation Matrix, and Ovation 12 String, a Yamaha classical and an Espana twin neck 6 & 12 String.  No one can say that any of them sound the same, so again I need all of them.  I'm not even going to get into the electrics, but once more they all sound different and do I need a 57, 61 and 63 Strat?  Once again they sound different and are totally different to play.  At the end of the day that is why I get other guitars (that and also because I like them).  So at the moment I have more than I am in age.  Just don't ask me about amps - same arguments - they all sound different!

[MDV]

My theory is you should have at least as many guitars as you are years old!  How many do I need, wel that depends, I currently have 8 bases, all sound different and all play differently.  Do I need 8 bases? Yes - if I want the particular sound of a Jazz Bass vs a THunderbird, then I need the bass to get it.  Same with acoustics, I have a Gibson J185, a Martin 000-28, a 1917 Washburn Parlour, an Ovation Matrix, and Ovation 12 String, a Yamaha classical and an Espana twin neck 6 & 12 String.  No one can say that any of them sound the same, so again I need all of them.  I'm not even going to get into the electrics, but once more they all sound different and do I need a 57, 61 and 63 Strat?  Once again they sound different and are totally different to play.  At the end of the day that is why I get other guitars (that and also because I like them).  So at the moment I have more than I am in age.  Just don't ask me about amps - same arguments - they all sound different!

The King of GAS speaks, and we obey.

Now I need 28 guitars.

Suits me :D

(dunno where to put them though...)

[ailean]

along with number you need.

Sorry I missed this bit.

I need n+1 guitars, where n is the number I will have when the next one turns up.

:lol:

I'd sig that, but its too big :(

Fits if you take out the italics.  :)