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Re: HELPPPP ! what are the simplest recording devices available ?
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2009, 10:39:22 AM »
Do you mean that it would not be good enough for the following criteria:-

I am NOT looking for a professionnal result at all : just wanting to practice at home on playback and record myself WITH EASE.

I think the MRS4 would be great for just that!   I've been using one of them for years and had great results....

yeah, but at some point that leads to wanting to make more semi-pro recordings, at least IMHO, it doesn't make much difference in price to get CD alike resolution. that tascam looks nice BTW

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it doesnt take much more cash to get something an order of magnitude more flexible/powerfull in the "prosumer" line of interface + daw (that will probably come with the interface). Little more cash, steeper learning curve (in that doing simple stuff with it is just as simple but theres WAY more you COULD learn to do with it) and the potential to make semi-pro sounding recordings.

I'd do that. Actually, I did that. You can use it as a note-pad just as easily as a hard disk recorder, but you can keep using it for more stuff as you learn more.

EMU 0404 and an audix i5 or a modeller or pre and youre set.

Oh, you'll need monitors no matter what.

Next step from there is acoustic treatment

After that its gear upgrade - to get a really appreciable improvment over the 0404 in audio quality you need to go past about 500 quid for the interface, IMO.

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Re: HELPPPP ! what are the simplest recording devices available ?
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2009, 10:39:54 AM »
Tascam make a guitar trainer for slowing down CDs without altering the pitch, but it is purely for CDs, it's not a recording device....
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Re: HELPPPP ! what are the simplest recording devices available ?
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2009, 10:42:21 AM »
Tascam make a guitar trainer for slowing down CDs without altering the pitch, but it is purely for CDs, it's not a recording device....

You could probably jam that into a HD recording scenario somehow. Record, line out to slow-downer and back in to a second track or something.

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Re: HELPPPP ! what are the simplest recording devices available ?
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2009, 09:43:52 AM »
What's more I forgot to say that I want the machine able to slow down the tempo of playbacks, at any rate (for practicing and building speed). Which one has this option ? Any other recommendation ?

i'm surely wrong, but i suspect that this feature belongs just to recording software, i don't think that a simple multitrack recorder can do it (without pitch changes, of course!)

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The Boss Micro BR does it, but I don't use it.

You can't vary the speed of a project you're recording, but one of it's selling points is the jam/practice facility. Get a track onto the machine (WAV or MP3) and then run the beast in MP3 mode to listen to and play along with. You can vary the speed of wav/mp3 playback...
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Re: HELPPPP ! what are the simplest recording devices available ?
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2009, 01:01:10 PM »
I sit corrected! (some do)

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Re: HELPPPP ! what are the simplest recording devices available ?
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2009, 01:36:18 PM »
What's more I forgot to say that I want the machine able to slow down the tempo of playbacks, at any rate (for practicing and building speed). Which one has this option ? Any other recommendation ?

i'm surely wrong, but i suspect that this feature belongs just to recording software, i don't think that a simple multitrack recorder can do it (without pitch changes, of course!)

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Incorrect :lol:
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The Boss Micro BR does it, but I don't use it.

You can't vary the speed of a project you're recording, but one of it's selling points is the jam/practice facility. Get a track onto the machine (WAV or MP3) and then run the beast in MP3 mode to listen to and play along with. You can vary the speed of wav/mp3 playback...

uh... i never used this feature (because i used the little thing just a few times) - i remember i was very glad about the BR, just it was rendered useless by my laptop... i have got some practice with cubase so i preferred a bit more complication to use a system i'm well accustomed to...
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Re: HELPPPP ! what are the simplest recording devices available ?
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2009, 07:54:47 PM »
uh... i never used this feature (because i used the little thing just a few times) - i remember i was very glad about the BR, just it was rendered useless by my laptop... i have got some practice with cubase so i preferred a bit more complication to use a system i'm well accustomed to...

Not sure I'll have time to learn with cubase or other software. I am quite on the opposite : looking for some simplification, in order to concentrate on playing !  :guitar4:

That's a good point if the BR can slow down the playbacks... Does he slow them at any speed you want ?

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Re: HELPPPP ! what are the simplest recording devices available ?
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2009, 10:33:12 AM »
I just had a look in the BR manual.

In "MP3 Mode" you can:

Record - The inputs to the recorder are still operational, and you can record direct to stereo  MP3 or WAV, this is probably the fastest way to get the song you want onto the box. Get a line out from your source (your cd, dvd, or record player - even from your PC's soundcard, record direct off the internet, eg youtube or spotify, etc...)

Timestretch - Speed up or slow down playback of an MP3 or WAV. The default is 100% (normal speed). You just change this percentage. It implies you can get it up to 200%, and I assume down to, er, 0% :lol:

It has a warning that sound deteriorates at anything other than 100% - but, we already knew that, I guess they had to cover their @rses :D

Centre Cancel - You can take the middle out of the stereo image. This removes anything that's "in the middle", usually the lead vocal or the "solo". It also lets you move the cancelling position, you can adjust it left or right in the stereo image.

Again it warns you that it might not do exactly what you expect, depending on how the original recording was mixed.

(Note that you can do centre cancelling in PC software studios, by inverting the phase of one of the stereo channels - if your software has this facility)

Repeat Sections - You can set a Start (A) and an End (B) and then set the song to loop over this section repeatedly.

You can do this when you use it as a multitracker as well - I'm about to use it a lot this weekend to practice a keyboard part that I need on my project. The A - B functionality is also used in the multitracker to allow you to do "drop-in" overdubs to repair mistakes in your playing.

Play along - because the recorder's inputs are still active during playback, you can plug in and play along :D

The only thing I'm not sure about is whether the onboard guitar effects will be available (ie the amp modelling) when you're running in MP3 mode - I seriously doubt it, I would be stunned and amazed, and VERY impressed, if they've managed that as well :D

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I would whole-heartedly recommend this beastie. It's a "real" multi-tracker, with the addition of very usable drum patterns and some very usable effects for guitar, vocals, and mixing/mastering (the reverb's not superb, but hey! :D).

I think it does what you want – you can use it simply or delve into more deeply into it. It introduces you to multi-tracking with a set of tools that enable you to produce superb results...

If you do get hooked on recording, and go the PC route later, you still might use it - I've come across people who bought it as a notebook and have ended up using it as their recording device, then they export all the tracks as WAV (it's a 4 track, each with 8 virtual tracks = 32 tracks), then load them into their PC set up for mixing.

The ONLY drawbacks to the unit as far as I'm concerned (this is in multitrack mode) are:

1) The effects do not include a "pitch-shifter" - they've got nearly everything else. Lots of people mock up demos by playing a guide "bass" part on a guitar and then pitch-shifting it down. It's not ideal, but it gets the job done fast if you're songwriting or travelling. If it had a pitch shift, then this little box and just one guitar, and you're all set wherever you are :D

2) There is no midi interface.

But neither of these are particularly getting in my way.
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Re: HELPPPP ! what are the simplest recording devices available ?
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2009, 03:58:55 PM »
gosh, andy, you really made me want using again my BR!
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Re: HELPPPP ! what are the simplest recording devices available ?
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2009, 06:17:09 PM »
Yeah many thanks Andy for that one-of-kind post. !

So if I understand well the 'mini studio' like the boss BR are able to slow down the playback speed, but the quality of the sound is not garanteed.. 

I am looking for a model that will keep a good sound quality while doing that...if it's possible...*

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Re: HELPPPP ! what are the simplest recording devices available ?
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2009, 08:24:21 PM »
Yeah many thanks Andy for that one-of-kind post. !

So if I understand well the 'mini studio' like the boss BR are able to slow down the playback speed, but the quality of the sound is not garanteed.. 

I am looking for a model that will keep a good sound quality while doing that...if it's possible...*

i fear not!
if you use compressed music there's no way, even with a good interpolation, that quality will not be altered.
but what do you care about quality for? it's just for practicing solos, after all!
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Re: HELPPPP ! what are the simplest recording devices available ?
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2009, 09:24:24 PM »
I have a near new Zoom H4 for sale PM me if interested.

I just prefer laptop and software if I want to record.

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Re: HELPPPP ! what are the simplest recording devices available ?
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2009, 01:12:01 AM »
I've read this thread with interest as it's something I'm starting to think about. My own requirements are simple as I'll only use it for practice. Basically, all I want to do is record myself playing along to a track so I can see where I went wrong and to record some ideas as they come to me for future reference. That's all really, just a way for me to practice and get better. At its most basic I simply want to record myself on top of backing tracks but it would also be cool if I could use any mp3 track and maybe replace the existing guitar or part of it - like the JamVox. Is there a system where I can play along to a track and just extract the guitar in the lead section? From what I can see it would be the units already mentioned or the JamVox but I just don't know.

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Re: HELPPPP ! what are the simplest recording devices available ?
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2009, 04:15:27 PM »
I've just posted the latest thing I've finished with my BOSS Micro-BR:

http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=17322.0

It uses the onboard drum patterns, but everything else (guitars, bass, organ, vocals) went in through the line in (I use a mixing desk to phantom power my vocal mic - so everything, amp modellor, keyboards, etc, goes through this desk).

ALL mixing and, er, "mastering" was done on the BR - I suspect I could clean up some of the issues by exporting the tracks to my PC and using my DAW, but I can't be bothered, and I wanted to show how far you can take this little beastie...

I am amazed at what it can do
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Re: HELPPPP ! what are the simplest recording devices available ?
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2009, 04:23:58 PM »
I've just posted the latest thing I've finished with my BOSS Micro-BR:

http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=17322.0

It uses the onboard drum patterns, but everything else (guitars, bass, organ, vocals) went in through the line in (I use a mixing desk to phantom power my vocal mic - so everything, amp modellor, keyboards, etc, goes through this desk).

ALL mixing and, er, "mastering" was done on the BR - I suspect I could clean up some of the issues by exporting the tracks to my PC and using my DAW, but I can't be bothered, and I wanted to show how far you can take this little beastie...

I am amazed at what it can do

i'm really impressed!
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