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« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2006, 03:48:06 PM »
Rahnooo,

I compared the Minimat and First Lady recently when I visited Matamp.

The First Lady is indeed an evolution of the C7, but with two different (switchable) output valves, a Voice knob (thick and bassy to thin and wiry) plus some other additions.

While they're both "low wattage" it's important to realise that all Matamps are underrated in terms of powere. Matamp measure them at the point the clean sound ends, so the First Lady is 7w clean, but 20w at full distortion. That probably makes the Minimat about 5-6w max - it's certainly louder than you'd think.

I thought the MM was pretty similar in terms of sound to the FL when the 6v6 was selected, although the MM had a bit more distortion. Switching to the 6CA7 valve on the FL (similar to an EL34) gave more distortion and more of a Marshall vibe: a snarlier, more aggressive distortion, ideal for classic rock.

I loved them both, but couldn't attenuate the FL down enough when it was distorted - I mostly play at home volumes. So I ended up ordering the MM. It hasn't arrived yet, but I keep dreaming - literally - about it. I haven't ever heard a low volume amp sound that good.

If you want a lot of dirt (heavy rock / metal territory) neither amp will satisfy you, but for clean / blues / classic rock they are awesome.

A couple of extra things about the MM that make it a lot more flexible than it first seems: (1) the Low Input is designed to take pedals well, so you could put your UberMetal or whatever in here and rely on the MM to give you the valve warmth and (at higher levels) power amp breakup; (2) the DI from the MM is designed so you can plug it straight into another, more powerful amp and get similar tones at much higher volumes. Effectively you're using the MM like an overdrive pedal or preamp.

There are reviews of both amps in this month's (February's) Guitar Buyer magazine. I'm told by Jeff at Matamp that the editor of GB visited and was so impressed he walked away with a Minimat, First Lady and King Street for his own personal use.

Rahnoo - I just noticed you're based in York. You've got to visit the place - Phone Jeff and arrange something!
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« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2006, 07:04:36 PM »
Froglord thanks for your reply.

The matamps sound like exactly what I'm after, I'm much more of a clean-to-breakup country and classic rock guy than ubermetal-rah guitarist (epi les paul loaded with mules, playing led zep, rem, jeff buckley and smashing pumpkins during a normal week as well as a lap steel) so the levels of dirt on offer suit me down to the ground. The FL and Minimat both caught my eye as bedroom-level amps as most of my playing is done in the context of a home studio and my 60W ashdown is way too loud (not to mention tempramental in the extreme) to really crank up.

I really will have to trekk over to the Matamp factory before i part with my hard earned cash, but it's nice to have an idea of what you want before you get there. And I'm going to have to delay my trip for a while if the FL is still a sensible option.

I bought this months Guitar Buyer for the matamp reviews, and both sounded glowing but as I'm not a regular reader its hard to get a feel for what the magazine rates in general.

Your points about the minimats versatility are really useful and have been taken on board, cheers :)

*Rahnooo*
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« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2006, 11:22:31 PM »
Mine!  :D

http://community.webshots.com/photo/332830655/483639202kRDRgS#

http://community.webshots.com/photo/332830655/529729431EZSrjD#

The Mini Mat is a glorious little beast and a seriously loud one at that. Be warned!

The King Street loosens up a little more every time switch it on. It's currently my favourite amp.
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« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2006, 11:41:51 AM »
So how loud does the Mini Mat actually go? If you can compare its volume to a 40w valve amp it would be good. Probably not very loud compared to my HRDx but it would be nice to know if it can come close, probably got a better tone though  :lol:

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« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2006, 11:56:08 AM »
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The King Street loosens up a little more every time switch it on. It's currently my favourite amp.


If I ever stop using predominantly girly clean sounds, I'd want a King Street. It was the most impressive amp I played at the factory, apart from the Harry Joyce maybe.


I thought the K.S. sounded better than a.....






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« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2006, 12:51:16 PM »
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The King Street loosens up a little more every time switch it on. It's currently my favourite amp.


If I ever stop using predominantly girly clean sounds, I'd want a King Street. It was the most impressive amp I played at the factory, apart from the Harry Joyce maybe.


I thought the K.S. sounded better than a.....






JCM800    :o  :o  :o (I'll hide now!!)


Are they a kinda Marshallesque old-school sound or do they have their own tone?

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« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2006, 02:20:15 PM »
They all sound different. The Chino sounds a bit like a Fender, the KS sounds a bit Marshally. In the run up to my 2nd visit I asked Hayden what Fender amp the Chino was based on, and he said


''The Chino isn't based on any fender - DAve refuses to copy even the slightest bit of any amp and prefers to design from teh ground up - just happens that the CHino sounds a bit fendery!''




Hope you don't mind me quoting you Hayden, its for a good cause I'm sure!
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« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2006, 02:41:56 PM »
Ahh right.. whats the Mini Mat sound like? That is the only one I will be able to afford ever  :lol:

I still have left over money from christmas and working over summer so I could actually afford one if I wanted :o

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« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2006, 03:47:42 PM »
There are samples (or links to samples) on the Matamp forum. Best to read the topics too, coz some of these are with pedals.

http://p203.ezboard.com/fofficialmatampownersclubfrm7.showMessage?topicID=995.topic
http://p203.ezboard.com/fofficialmatampownersclubfrm7.showMessage?topicID=987.topic
http://p203.ezboard.com/fofficialmatampownersclubfrm7.showMessage?topicID=986.topic

Nothing beats hearing one in the flesh, though.
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« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2006, 03:47:44 PM »
I don't know I didn't try it, but I see froglord did ^ !
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« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2006, 03:53:01 PM »
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I don't know I didn't try it, but I see froglord did ^ !


Did I ever! Phwoaarr!

It's difficult to describe the sound. Very thick and midrangey, but also (paradoxically) very clear. The 6v6 gives a smoother distortion than some valves, so if you like really aggressive, snarly overdrive, this may not suit.

Having said that, if you turn everything up to max you're pretty much teleported to the land of Classic Rawk.
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« Reply #41 on: January 14, 2006, 03:57:49 PM »
Ok, Wow. I just listened to those recordings. Sounds soo good! I think I want a Mini Mat  :lol: