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badgermark

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Re: The big picture
« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2009, 08:24:23 PM »
Wikipedia is the worst source of information for any sceptic.

The human influence is minimal.

So what's the best source of information?

Wikipedia is usually pretty good for scientific articles. As long as it has cited reliable sources I have no reason to turn my nose up at Wikipedia.

Plus it's awesome to hear the phrase free radicals in a guitar forum. Woo for chemistry!
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dave_mc

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Re: The big picture
« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2009, 11:33:50 PM »
^ agreed. :)

Referring to (c):

Surely the publicity of the 'limited supply' then that means the oil companies have better reason to extort (as if the tax on the stuff wasn't enough)

not really, they already charge a pretty big price. Apart from anything opec etc. manipulates the price as it is, if there isn't a shortage they manufacture one to increase the prices.

Wikipedia is the worst source of information for any sceptic.

The human influence is minimal.

wikipedia is fine for scientific articles. I knew what i was saying is right, i just used it to back up what i already know.

i'm pretty sure the human influence is not minimal, certainly in the ozone layer hole.

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Re: The big picture
« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2009, 10:13:46 AM »
The problem with wikipedia is that many people have acces and can change the content. In some cases that's a good thing. In other cases it means it conforms to the general consensus.
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Re: The big picture
« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2009, 05:05:33 PM »
i know exactly what the problem is. I know a little bit about chemistry (not as much as i should, but enough to know if someone knows what he/she is talking about), and any page about chemistry i've ever checked on wiki knew more than I did. I wouldn't be surprised if university lecturers are writing them, frankly, or at least university-educated people. That goes for pretty much most of the science I've seen on wiki.

Certain things are very unreliable on wiki- the kind of things that the average layman might edit for a laugh. I can see why editing e.g. mel gibson's page would be funny. I can't see too many people editing, say, the fluid dynamics page for a laugh.

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Re: The big picture
« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2009, 01:33:33 AM »
someone needs to write a wiki page on BKP, can never have enough web 2.0 marketing, tim has a page on there

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Re: The big picture
« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2009, 12:44:51 PM »
Remember An Inconvenient Truth?

It turned out that there was nothing truthfull in it. Everything was manipulated and exadurated. They should have called it  A Convenient Lie.

If the message requires lies and manipulation there must be something wrong with the message.


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Re: The big picture
« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2009, 01:41:36 PM »
OP:
You've got it all backwards.
Mature trees actually leak more carbon into the atmosphere than they remove.
Young, growing trees are excellent at removing carbon and turning it into wood.
Trees are carbon storage devices.  Trees are a crop meant to be harvested.
No one says "Save The Corn!!" now do they?
The alleged carbon imbalance can be cured in short order if we harvest all the mature trees on the planet and replant as we go.
The answer is to use more forest products, paper packaging, books, etc, and less electricity.
Turn your computer off and read a book, it's better for the environment if you are so convicted.
The statement that companies make "We're GREEN because we send out all our statements electronically" is a massive lie.
All they are doing is transferring the cost of doing business to the consumer.
What is worse for the environment? An efficient printing press producing 100,000 statements or 100,000 customers firing up their PC's and ink jet printers and printing one sheet....

Interesting reading: http://www.greenspirit.com/trees_answer.cfm?msid=30&page=1

I believe that most of the current environmental movement trend is about governments taxing and enslaving the populance, and not about actually doing anything positive for the planet.

Go ahead and buy as many guitars as you can. Every tree harvested makes room for a carbon sucking sapling. You're doing more harm the planet by NOT buying guitars.
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Re: The big picture
« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2009, 02:12:12 PM »
If the message requires lies and manipulation there must be something wrong with the message.

I think that gets to the heart of the problem. In this modern world of political spin, mass media manipulation, self-interest lobby groups, the (near) disappearance of investigative journalists and legal firms who misuse the law to restrict free-speech, how is the average citizen intended to deduct 'the truth'?

When I was a kid in the '70s, we were told the Earth was cooling and this could result in a new ice age. I can remember our school headmaster (an educated and wise man) giving a lecture about it  :?
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dave_mc

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Re: The big picture
« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2009, 06:37:21 PM »
Remember An Inconvenient Truth?

It turned out that there was nothing truthfull in it. Everything was manipulated and exadurated. They should have called it  A Convenient Lie.

If the message requires lies and manipulation there must be something wrong with the message.


Why is a lightbulb wrong and an electric car good?

everything has lies and manipulation. that channel 4 programme against global warming turned out to be completely made up, too.

that's why we need to get rid of politicians, lol.