Author Topic: New pickups for metal/rock (Read 25193 times)

Steve-Mr Pig 2U · « **Reply #15 on:** November 17, 2005, 12:23:31 AM »

The Painkiller has not definate release date yet, It is still in the road testing stages.

For a good all rounder I would go for a Warpig, Its got a killer palm muted sound, is very responsive and has a good clean tone.

For Rammstein tones the Miracle Man would be good it has a tighter bass, more highs and smoother mids. But the disadvantege is it wouldnt clean up so well.

carlaz · « **Reply #16 on:** November 17, 2005, 10:32:20 AM »

Quote from: Steve-Mr Pig 2U

For a good all rounder I would go for a Warpig, Its got a killer palm muted sound, is very responsive and has a good clean tone.

I though the Nailbomb was supposed to be the "all rounder"? Not that I mind hearing the Warpir is a good all-rounder! My heart always sings "'Pig! 'Pig!" to me, though I get cold feet whenever someone describes it as a "modern metal" pickup. I'm not sure I've heard whatever modern metal is when its at home -- not recently anyway ;). Is the 'Pig too extreme? Should I back off from that level of output? But then y'all come back round and talk about the great cleans, great playability -- even the great versatility (reminding me of Ratrod's Rockabilly Warpig clip :)). And I get all warm'n'fuzzy toward the 'Pig again, reminding myself that, in the end, there is nothing better than playing a power chord that sounds like somebody just dropped a planet. :twisted:

Sekhmet · « **Reply #17 on:** November 17, 2005, 11:36:32 AM »

Didn't someone say somewhere that jazzers where starting to use warpigs in their guitars?

HJM · « **Reply #18 on:** November 17, 2005, 11:49:01 AM »

In parallel for the neck position.

indysmith · « **Reply #19 on:** November 18, 2005, 12:37:20 PM »

The warpig is VERY versatile. In the ten minutes of time i've had playing one, i covered everything from bluegrass to modern metal. If you ever don't need the output yu can always just roll back the volume - it'll still sound awesome

carlaz · « **Reply #20 on:** November 18, 2005, 12:46:12 PM »

Quote from: indysmith

The warpig is VERY versatile. In the ten minutes of time i've had playing one, i covered everything from bluegrass to modern metal. If you ever don't need the output yu can always just roll back the volume - it'll still sound awesome

Ah, I love hearing what I want to hear :)

So, do folks reckon an Abraxas in the neck would keep up with a Warpig bridge? I love Santana-style neck tones, and have been jonesin' for a neck pickup voiced for just that sort of thing, so I feel good about an Abraxas in the neck. But equally, I love to unleash the power chug of doom from the bridge (while still being able to sprinkle out pretty clean tones for that light/shade thing). I guess if folks have had success with the Mule/'Pig combo, an Abraxas/'Pig combo oughta work even better (thanks to the Abraxas being even hotter than the Mule).

steve · « **Reply #21 on:** November 18, 2005, 01:28:19 PM »

The Abraxas would be the best bet if you want to match it with a Warpig.The Mule may drop a bit in volume going from the Pig.
Abraxas still does a great clean tone!Just turn the volume down.

carlaz · « **Reply #22 on:** November 18, 2005, 04:27:47 PM »

I've worried that the Warpig would be too supersaturated, and that dialing back to the Nailbomb be more workable (I've little doubt that a neck Abraxas would keep up fine with a bridge NB).

In any case, my main thing with the bridge is that my stock 498T has always felt kinda muddy or blurry, at least when the gain ramps up. I've always want to feel more string definition at gain (though without going to Ceramicland -- Alnico is where I wan t. Any BKP will have more life to it than the stocks, but I wonder whether the 'Pig would have better definition than the Nailbomb or whether the 'Pig would simply be overkill ....

(But what am I thinking? Overkill must be good, surely?! :twisted: )

tewboss · « **Reply #23 on:** November 18, 2005, 06:36:45 PM »

When I was looking for new pickups, I mentioned to Tim that I wanted pickups that could do AC/DC and Mansun type overdriven sounds but still have the Rammstein sound. He recommended the Nailbombs to me which I then bought. I was originally thinking of the warpigs but I'm glad I listened to Tim's advice. I think the warpigs aren't clean enough to do really high gain stuff without getting messy, although I love the custom covers.

Even though everybody in modern metal seems to be using EMG's, I'm convinced the Dual Rectifier is more important than the pickups. Also I've had it on good authority than the EMGs are a one trick pony (unlike the Nailbombs), and don't work well with tubescreamers and fuzz pedals. Having said that David Gilmour uses them and he has a nice sound.</rant>

dave_mc · « **Reply #24 on:** November 18, 2005, 07:13:17 PM »

Quote from: tewboss

Even though everybody in modern metal seems to be using EMG's, I'm convinced the Dual Rectifier is more important than the pickups. Also I've had it on good authority than the EMGs are a one trick pony (unlike the Nailbombs), and don't work well with tubescreamers and fuzz pedals. Having said that David Gilmour uses them and he has a nice sound.</rant>

i totally agree, i'm a regular in a couple of other forums and it's depressing how many kids seem to think having the same pickups as their idols will make them sound the same, and they forget that they're using rectos while they have a marshall mg practice amp (MDV knows what I'm talking about ;) )

first get the amp, THEN get great pickups! And EMG's sound best through something like a recto anyway...

tewboss · « **Reply #25 on:** November 18, 2005, 07:46:01 PM »

I'm presuming these are the same sort of kids who give 10/10 on Harmony Central to their first 10 watt amp even if they haven't heard any others? They are probably the sort of people my friend calls "fashion metal".

Totally agree with the statement about amp first. The trouble is many of them don't understand that valve amps still are used by the majority of professionals (excluding Dimebag RIP). I can see the point in modelling amps for practice amps, but it will never be as good as the real thing.

Tol · « **Reply #26 on:** November 18, 2005, 08:06:04 PM »

Quote from: carlaz

Quote from: indysmith
The warpig is VERY versatile. In the ten minutes of time i've had playing one, i covered everything from bluegrass to modern metal. If you ever don't need the output yu can always just roll back the volume - it'll still sound awesome

Ah, I love hearing what I want to hear :)

So, do folks reckon an Abraxas in the neck would keep up with a Warpig bridge? I love Santana-style neck tones, and have been jonesin' for a neck pickup voiced for just that sort of thing, so I feel good about an Abraxas in the neck. But equally, I love to unleash the power chug of doom from the bridge (while still being able to sprinkle out pretty clean tones for that light/shade thing). I guess if folks have had success with the Mule/'Pig combo, an Abraxas/'Pig combo oughta work even better (thanks to the Abraxas being even hotter than the Mule).

Why not just the Abraxas set! :)

Steve-Mr Pig 2U · « **Reply #27 on:** November 18, 2005, 08:14:35 PM »

Quote from: tewboss

When I was looking for new pickups, I mentioned to Tim that I wanted pickups that could do AC/DC and Mansun type overdriven sounds but still have the Rammstein sound. He recommended the Nailbombs to me which I then bought. I was originally thinking of the warpigs but I'm glad I listened to Tim's advice. I think the warpigs aren't clean enough to do really high gain stuff without getting messy, although I love the custom covers.

Even though everybody in modern metal seems to be using EMG's, I'm convinced the Dual Rectifier is more important than the pickups. Also I've had it on good authority than the EMGs are a one trick pony (unlike the Nailbombs), and don't work well with tubescreamers and fuzz pedals. Having said that David Gilmour uses them and he has a nice sound.</rant>

The Warpigs cope very well under a lot of distortion, Ive got a set in an RG. They retain their clarity very well... thats what they are designed for!

I wouldn't say your amp is more important, afterall if you've got a top of the range amp and bad Pickups you are still just amplifing a poor signal.

tewboss · « **Reply #28 on:** November 18, 2005, 08:35:08 PM »

Would the Nailbombs be more suited to high gain though? I'm getting a new guitar and want another set, but trying to decide what to buy. The guitar is one of the Gordon Smith Graduate models, and I'm going to have the pickups delivered to their factory. The guitar is mahogany so I'm after something with bass weight but doesn't get lost in the mix.

My thing about buying a decent amp was really about not having a bad amp but expecting a good guitar to sound good through it, although I agree that bad pickups wouldn't help - thats why I am here!

Steve-Mr Pig 2U · « **Reply #29 on:** November 18, 2005, 09:04:56 PM »

The Warpig has more output so has more saturation to start with, The Nailbomb handles it very well too. The nailbomb has a very organic open tone where as the Warpig is more compressed.