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« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2005, 11:13:25 AM »
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These courses are as worthless in the real word as Media studies


They are totally worthless unless you are determined to make a living out of music in one way or another.
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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2005, 11:40:15 AM »
I wasn't going to say anything on the value of these courses, but hey...

10 years ago there weren't many courses about, 15 years ago there weren't any...in the mean time hundreds of ex-players, engineers and producers have turned to teaching music and music technology, fuelled by the fact that a lot of young people want to make music, and parents are happy for them to pursue their interests.

The problem is there's very little work out there, and what work there is tends to be low paid. The last 15 years have seen a shift from live musicians to synths, from large scale to small scale studios. The technology has changed – the tape op, the old first job after tea boy, isn’t needed in a digital age. The work has changed too - gone are the record companies who would develop a band and pay for studio time, gone are a lot of  the bands who want a demo as most people have a PC that is capable at home. (most of the studios I've worked in recently have been getting more work from companies like Alpine doing the voiceovers for sat nav systems...not music!).

So the education system is churning out musicians and engineers who have nowhere to go. I was lucky and fell into education after a stint as a touring sound engineer, but my BA in Popular Music Studies is only worth anything because it has the University of Leeds on the top. Still, and like many graduates of all disciplines, I would have to seek further training to find a different career.

The old school History/English/science degrees have the best success, as they open up many career paths, but do you want to study them?? The problem with media studies in particular is, if you want to work in media a degree in History of English is a much better option! Music tech, if you’re willing to work for probably nothing (although I do know one guy from the year above myself who earned £80k on his last contract…) or go into teaching, then pop music studies/tech is fine. Plain vanilla music degrees are a good option, as long as they come from a good university they are valued in the real world to get onto graduate training programmes.

I’d be very careful of selecting BTEC, a lot of Russell Group universities won’t even entertain you if you have a BTEC, despite the fact they are supposed to be worth the same as A-Levels. Try an A-level in Music Technology instead.

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« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2005, 01:49:24 PM »
Hmm ok it seems like a total waste of time then really. When I was at music live, I got a little prospectus thing from Coventry and also Staffordshire Uni's for Music Technology BSc (Hons) which sounds like a good course but will that even be useful? I still dont even know what kinda career I want so its hard to choose courses  :lol:

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« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2005, 03:25:08 PM »
If you're not sure think about the more traditional subjects, that will leave your options open!
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« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2005, 04:20:17 PM »
hmm yeah, only trouble is they are so boring  :lol: Would music tech at Coventry be worth considering then? I dont have any music qualifications atall such as grades, gcse, a level etc. so I dont think I could do just a plain music course  :cry:

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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2005, 05:43:47 PM »
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hmm yeah, only trouble is they are so boring  :lol: Would music tech at Coventry be worth considering then? I dont have any music qualifications atall such as grades, gcse, a level etc. so I dont think I could do just a plain music course  :cry:


You could, but you'd have to work your butt off. I did all the official music grades in a few months in order to get work once. You can buy a few books of "official" graded theory and see how you fare. Also, you might be able to go to a local university and check out what the subjects for first year students would be, then head to the university bookshop and take a look at the books you'd have to buy. If they look way over your head, at least you'd know what you're in for.

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« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2005, 05:58:42 PM »
aaah, bollocks!

time to think of a new career path!

so is there really no point in doing these courses, even if you intend to take them seriously? i know many people go for them because they like playing guitar, and they also like skiving off the tutorials to go and smoke weed in the park...

what about BIMM? any use? degree in music technology? no?
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« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2005, 06:10:19 PM »
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aaah, bollocks!

time to think of a new career path!

so is there really no point in doing these courses, even if you intend to take them seriously? i know many people go for them because they like playing guitar, and they also like skiving off the tutorials to go and smoke weed in the park...

what about BIMM? any use? degree in music technology? no?


Oh yeah, I was also looking at those "proper" music colleges/unis like BIMM, ACM etc.

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« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2005, 06:17:32 PM »
All of these careers are based on talent and ability, not grades and qualifications. If you want to be a producer or sound engineer then get used to what you will be dealing with, most studios nowadays will be using computer based tech , so get some experience under you belt of that kind of thing and then maybe if you land the role of T boy in a half decent studio you can work your way up. MOST IMPORTANT.. Choose what you want to do first and then look at how you get there.
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« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2005, 06:20:46 PM »
Hmm yeah thats a good point, I still have no idea what I even wanna do with my life :? I mean, all I wanna do on my school days is stay home playing guitar and listening to music  :lol: Thats only for my own pleasure though I guess, I'd be a useless teacher. Why cant I get payed for sitting around playing guitar on school days!? :lol:

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« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2005, 06:32:25 PM »
I think the best idea for most people who dont know what they want to do with their lives is to take a year out ( im talking about people at college : ) In the year out try and get some work experience in as many different jobs as you can. This will give you some idea of what you want to do.
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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2005, 06:54:15 PM »
yes, but you can't just walk in and get experience on the kind of jobs you'd want to consider as your life's work...
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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2005, 07:29:19 PM »
no you cant just walk in. but you can make the chances of something happening higher by preparing.

Im working at Sony/Bmg Records right now. Never did i think i would get a job like this. Im doing things which i never imagined i would be doing like being commisioned to build a studio.

Just go for it and make sure your behind it.
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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2005, 07:44:05 PM »
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no you cant just walk in. but you can make the chances of something happening higher by preparing.

Im working at Sony/Bmg Records right now. Never did i think i would get a job like this. Im doing things which i never imagined i would be doing like being commisioned to build a studio.

Just go for it and make sure your behind it.


Oooh how did you get that kinda job?! Sounds like fun!

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« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2005, 07:45:18 PM »
i nearly did one of the ACM courses, but it was gonna be too much money (i live milllllllllllles away from the actual academy..)

i always fancied being an IT tech, but once id done half my A levels (computing\media\business studies) i hated it.. after college i did nothing for a bit, just aimlessly floundering around from a dead end factory job to a shop job to just sitting at home doing NOTHING :/

So i went self employed like my dad, but it didnt work out so i had to give it up... now i work in a call center for shite money, its hard to progress to earn MORE money, and internal politics make it hard to move between posts in the company :(

So now i'm 23,tried every job i can think of,i'm  bored shiteless and still with no idea what i want to do with my life.... and everywhere i look theres nothing but more shitety jobs for peanuts, or ones that need loads of qualifications to get!

I figure i should try Uni, but i can never focus myself onto learning stuff, i may just go for the experience and to meet new friends :/

Incidentally, i work with someone who has a degree in criminal physcology, and someone with a maths + mechatronic engineering degree, and they cant find jobs either (one has to do a couple of years in the police force or spend a few thousand on another course before they can get anywhere...)

REALLY rambling here sorry, but choosing what you wanna do in life is one of the hardest things, and plus you never know if you can do it\will like it until you get there...

id say just go ahead and do what will make you happy while your young and you can... before you get stuck in the rat race :)
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