Author Topic: Gone and ordered myself an ENGL amp... WOOO!!! (Read 11970 times)

willo · « **Reply #15 on:** November 20, 2005, 02:50:51 PM »

I agree completely with Steve, the big bidding almost always takes place in the final hour. I reckon you should get around £400, (IMO). But if you do want to withdraw it, as long as you do it early enough I'm sure you can avoid negative feedback somehow - whatever you do, its your call

chrisola · « **Reply #16 on:** November 20, 2005, 04:01:00 PM »

wow, the other jcm800 went for £600!!!!

thats a mad price... it is a vertical input one... i guess people still buy the bull shite about them being 'better' (read: slightly easier to fix if you total the amp and need new inuts soldering in)... i should photoshop my amp to be the same :P

gonna email the non winners and pimp my auction!

HJM · « **Reply #17 on:** November 20, 2005, 04:05:05 PM »

Actually I've got one of Tims horizontal input 2203 JCM800s, it's a reissue from 1995, so I can't say about the late 80s ones. This example is very poor - the circuit board has no support under it, it is held on only by the pots and jacks. More importantly the mains filtering is lower, it has the same as a 50w. So the bass will never be as tight as an old one!

chrisola · « **Reply #18 on:** November 20, 2005, 04:12:11 PM »

well, i;ve opened up mine (a 2204 model) and it looks fine. couldnt see anything dodgy, same with the other JCM800 i had. I've done a fair bit of reading over the years, and opinion is divided... i suppose people who cant be bothered researching it just buy into what others say..

imo the sound thing is BS, different amps have different components\tubes etc so nobody can really pin down tonal differences to the way the inputs are mounted...

id say the the later marshalls did go down QC wise, had a couple of modern SS ones which were poor!

chrisola · « **Reply #19 on:** November 21, 2005, 02:01:37 PM »

yay, got £430 & £25 postage for it in the end... damn stressful though :P

fireball here i come 8)

Floyd Pepper · « **Reply #20 on:** November 21, 2005, 10:27:39 PM »

Perhaps I should sell my JCM 800 Super Lead. :)

Any idea how a super lead compares to a master volume in terms of tone? I've never played through a master volume Marshall.

Floyd Pepper · « **Reply #21 on:** November 22, 2005, 11:04:17 AM »

Chrisola, you try any other quality heads before going for the Engl? Just curious how it compares to other amps. I've got a Cornford Harlequin 6W amp which is the best amp I've ever used. It's incredibly dynamic and reacts to your playing more than anything else I'm tried.

Did you compare Cornfords to the Engl?

chrisola · « **Reply #22 on:** November 22, 2005, 02:59:54 PM »

a while ago i heard one in a shop, it was great, but not what i was after... and if id been able to justify spening £1k+ i would've definitely looked at some of the bigger Cornfords (aswell as a engl savage 8) )

the engl is a brutal metal monster, cant wait to get it delivered and bleed some ears heh! I've had a couple of JCM800s, an Ashdown Fallen Angel, a Randall, a Yamaha DG60, a Marshall MG 50 & a Line6 Spider 2... to be honest i havent tried the Fireball yet, couldnt find one anywhere except the one i ordered (6hr drive away..gah), but it was a good price so i bit the bullet and went for it on strength of other users opinions and lots of soundclips.. plus i got it at a good price so i think re-sale would be easy (doubtful...).

I'll stick a few clips up when i get it.. cant wait :)

dave_mc · « **Reply #23 on:** November 22, 2005, 03:07:48 PM »

Quote from: Floyd Pepper

Chrisola, you try any other quality heads before going for the Engl? Just curious how it compares to other amps. I've got a Cornford Harlequin 6W amp which is the best amp I've ever used. It's incredibly dynamic and reacts to your playing more than anything else I'm tried.

Did you compare Cornfords to the Engl?

i have!

i compared an engl se to both a diezel vh4 and a vht super lead in the same room with the same guitar

the engl se won, mainly based on versatility- the diezel did a better dark high gain distortion, but doesn't do bright super high gain AT ALL, while the engl does a fantastic bright super high gain tone, and a good dark heavy distortion (not as good as a vh4, but as good or better than a peavey 6505+, IMO)

that's not to say the vht and diezel weren't good (they were excellent), but for the varied styles of music i play, the engl se was the clear winner

as for the cornford- i've only tried a hellcat, and it wasn't head to head with an engl (it was head to head with a koch multitone), but from memory, i preferred the engls- they get more brutal, and they get cleaner on the clean channel too.

i also preferred the koch to the cornford, but that was mainly due to the sounds i'm after, not the fact that cornford suck or anything stupid like that!

The Cornford hellcat is more of a hardrock amp, with a bluesy "vintage" channel, the koch multitone is kind of a hybrid of a fender and hot-rodded marshall, whilst the engl se is a do-all amp, specialising in brutal high gain. The vh4 wasn't as heavy as i'd expected (compared to th engl anyway), again more aimed at hard rock (but could do dark metal tones), and the vht was tight sounding, with piano like cleans. Could do metal, but again not as brutal as the engl.

i'm rambling now: moral: most amps in this price range are fantastic, if they suit your playing style.

Johnny Mac · « **Reply #24 on:** November 22, 2005, 07:09:53 PM »

You could try a Koch Powertone II like mine. That does a brutal distortion, a classic hotrodded Marshall and lovely cleans!

Floyd Pepper · « **Reply #25 on:** November 22, 2005, 11:17:04 PM »

I need go shopping more. Apart from my Cornford Harlequin and a go of a Mesa/Boogie Lonestar I don't think I've played through an amp that's been built in the last 20 years. In fact the Harlequin is the 1st master volume amp I've owned.

The Harlequin is more a dirty blues sound not all out hard rock.

Floyd Pepper · « **Reply #26 on:** November 23, 2005, 09:35:26 AM »

Thinking about it, I did have a Ashdown Peacemaker 40 for a couple of months. Brought it cheap over the internet in a sale from Coda Music.

1st thing you noticed when you turned the amp on was the sound of the fan woring away. Valve amp hum I can cope with but an amp that sounds like a PC just bugged me. I tired various guitars with the amp - Gibson SG, Gibson Les Paul, Fender Strat, Ephiphone Sheraton. The clean sound never sounded as good as the Fender Bassman. The clean sound was OK but I was never happy with it.

Turning up the gain on the clean channel gave quite a nice just distorting sound but still nothing to write home about. As for the overdrive channel, the only way I could discribe that is raspy, like something grating. I didn't like it at all.

No matter what I did with the Ashdown every time I plugged it in I wanted to get rid of it. So it went onto eBay and I got the Cornford. :)