Pete Docherty Sings Nazi Anthem; Looks Silly Again

[nfe]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8387855.stm

I actually feel a bit sorry for him, 'cause to be fair, there'll be plenty people who would still think Deutschlandlied begins "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles". In fact, I'd wager the majority of people outwith Germany and it's immediate neighbours who even know the melody would attach those words to it.

'Course, in thirty years we'll treasure him as a national hero like all the other musicians vilified in their heyday  :lol:

[FernandoDuarte]

I didn't know about that, but I don't know the German anthem at all...

[blue]

you really think he'll be treasured as a national hero?  suppose we better start building plinths for all the x-factor finalists and reality tv stars then.  they're talent free wastes of space too.

[Philly Q]

I actually feel a bit sorry for him, 'cause to be fair, there'll be plenty people who would still think Deutschlandlied begins "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles". In fact, I'd wager the majority of people outwith Germany and it's immediate neighbours who even know the melody would attach those words to it.

Indeed, I had no idea they'd dropped the first verse.  But then I suppose I only know any of the words from watching WWII movies.

[nfe]

He's written some fine songs. Were it not for the celebrity culture and the existence of things like camera phones he wouldn't get a tenth of the negative press he gets.

It's not hard to draw parallels with the likes of the Beatles, Johnny Cash, The Stones, Zepplin, Sabbath or any of the gamut of extremely heavy drug using bands who're treasured in hindsight, whether you like his (or their) music or not.

[blue]

any time i've heard his music i just thought "wow, he really can't play or sing at all!"  if others like him, that's fine, there are certainly musicians i like that others don't, but Docherty's appeal completely mystifies me.  his drug taking, supermodel shagging Jaguar crashing antics are the only thing about him i DON't mind! :)

[fbloke]

I think before anyone starts to vilify Pete Docherty too much, shall we have a look at the lyrics to "Rule Brittania"?  If I was of caribbean descent I'd have a big problem with it.  But dress a load of hoorays up in dinner suits, get them out of it on Pimm's and call it The Proms and it's a fine British tradition. 

[nfe]

Goes without saying.

[AndyR]

^ :lol: I'm not even sure I know the words to Rule Britannia...

I must admit, I've not followed his musical output, but I saw Pete Docherty interviewed with guitar, early on, before the sh1t hit the fan... and I have to say I was really impressed, the parallell I drew was Marc Bolan. There was a young guy at work in those days who thought PD was brilliant, noone had heard of him yet, but he was always going on about him... and I went in next day and said "was that the bloke you meant? I think you might be right - if he manages to hold it together, looks like he might be off his face a lot though..."

I've not heard owt of his since - but every time I see his haunted face on the news or in someone's paper, I remember the little bloke with the guitar in that studio...

[38thBeatle]

I know the tune as a hymn we used to have to sing at school and I quite liked it as a tune.Obviously I realised it was the German national anthem later especially in the Schumacher years and I knew the old anthemic lyrics (or at least the translation of them) from my studies in history. I don't suppose he meant anything by it though-not excusing him but he probably didn't realise who knows.
Rule Britannia is a little embarrassing these days and it is just as well it is not our National Anthem.

[jibidy]

He is a c--k.

[dave_mc]

yeah, i knew they'd dropped the first verse. Have we dropped the bit about beating up scots yet?

[tomjackson]

He's written some fine songs. Were it not for the celebrity culture and the existence of things like camera phones he wouldn't get a tenth of the negative press he gets.

It's not hard to draw parallels with the likes of the Beatles, Johnny Cash, The Stones, Zepplin, Sabbath or any of the gamut of extremely heavy drug using bands who're treasured in hindsight, whether you like his (or their) music or not.

He wouldn't get a tenth of the negative press if he wasn't addicted to crack and heroin and then get caught driving when wasted.  But then as they say, there's no such thing as bad press

[nfe]

He's written some fine songs. Were it not for the celebrity culture and the existence of things like camera phones he wouldn't get a tenth of the negative press he gets.

It's not hard to draw parallels with the likes of the Beatles, Johnny Cash, The Stones, Zepplin, Sabbath or any of the gamut of extremely heavy drug using bands who're treasured in hindsight, whether you like his (or their) music or not.

He wouldn't get a tenth of the negative press if he wasn't addicted to crack and heroin and then get caught driving when wasted.  But then as they say, there's no such thing as bad press

Absolutely true, all I'm saying is Britain has knighted people who've behaved far worse for services to music. A couple decades and you can happily go from vilified, hated by "the establishment" enfant terrible to diefied national treasure.

[MrBump]

I like Doherty, despite myself.

The first two Libertines albums were great - not for everyone, but in terms of songwriting they were brilliant.

He might come over as a nob.  But, hey.  A musician who's a nob.  Who'd have thought?