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Guys help me, to find/create the perfect Stratoccaster..!
« on: December 09, 2009, 09:19:59 AM »
Hi guys, Im a passionate new arrival here..In pursuit of my dream Strat.
                                                                                                            I will, nervously - If I -have- to, even though it scares me,-wreck my bank account and buy the modern Fender 'custom shop' stratocaster 'deluxe' like one I played in astonishment down at Mansons a few days ago..-It was gorgeous, powerful, with a sound that was brighter,clearer and crammed full of detail unlike any other Strat in the shop, or any other I've played before..But wow... £2000...I am given to the mysteries of the 'sourced woods' and 'top craftsmanship' of how it is something black art when asking -Why- did it sound so good?
             Is it really about that black art? Or is it simply about having a nice guitar packed with astonishing pick ups? -Say a nice mexican...With some bare knuckles goin' on..? The same, or possibly even better quality?..Around half the price?
                                                                                                                                                                                       What do say the guys?
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Re: Guys help me, to find/create the perfect Stratoccaster..!
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2009, 10:11:46 AM »
You get what you pay for.  It's all in the combination of woods, hardware, pickups, nut etc.  You can change things (e.g. pickups in a Mexican Strat) but you can't change the wood.

I've not found anything that can touch the Fender Custom Shop stuff yet.  I played a hand built Tele recently, made by a top luthier, at a cost of around £2000.  Should be the cream of the crop, right?

I much, much preferred my Custom Shop Tele made in the factory in Corona.

My advice?  Buy the Fender Custom Shop Strat, play the snot out of it, and love it for the rest of your life.

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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2009, 10:12:31 AM »
You've come to teh [sic] right place.

Best of all, it is not difficult to build a good Strat that will help you hook up with better looking women (check out the "Crushes" thread in The Dressing Room). Even I can do it, so anyone can.

Firstest, get it through your head: Fender and Gibson are factories. So are their custom shops. Not only that, Gibson and Fender were always factories, even back in the good old days. So forget about "black arts" or old-world trained craftsmen carefully tap-tuning Strat bodies and testing different pickup combinations on each individual guitar. They don't do that at Fender, at least not for the standard mass-produced Custom Shop offering.

That is what you are going to do.

If there is a magic, it is in finding the right combination of parts that work with that guitar. Sometimes it takes some experimentation. Sometimes you think you will get one sound, and you get another.

You can start with a good-sounding Mexican Strat and install some BKPs and better electronics and that will get you 90% of the way to a perfect Strat, unless you are a vintage freak like me. Then you can get some wood and parts and start building. www.musikraft.com is a good source for fairly correct bodies and necks. Plus you can do something more interesting than improve on the standard Fender offerings.

The terminal stages come when you start chasing down vintage parts, staring at photos, and sniping Ebay auctions for a more accurate product.

I've already built several variations on my visions of perfect Stratocasters, and last times I took any of mine to music shops selling CS Strats, the sale staff agreed that my guitars killed the official Fender product. (I actually wasn't so certain, but everyone else was, and I was not fishing for compliments.)

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Re: Guys help me, to find/create the perfect Stratoccaster..!
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2009, 10:34:50 AM »
It's Custom Shop all the way for me. The 2 CS's I have owned have both been very very good indeed. I do stick to brands that I like and there is something about a CS Fender that feels special. I have owned Mexican and US reissue versions and there is, IMO, a fairly big difference in quality and feel.
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2009, 10:59:02 AM »
Is it really about that black art? Or is it simply about having a nice guitar packed with astonishing pick ups? -Say a nice mexican...With some bare knuckles goin' on..? The same, or possibly even better quality?..Around half the price?             

It's a matter of "weakest link". I mean, everything - or almost everything - in a guitar concur to the resulting tone: woods selection - quality, timber and how they "fit" together -, construction method, craftmanship quality / expertise and attention to each and every detail, hardware quality and material, and of course pups, pots and caps. And some invisible factors too like luck, phase of the moon, mojo and whatnots  :mrgreen:

wrt/ pups, well, even the best pickup in the world will not make a particle-board piece-of-cr@p sound good. Now given a guitar that is decently built and sounds fine unplugged, pups will indeed have a very strong influence on the resulting tone.

So, I wouldn't bet on a MiM ending up being "better quality" than a CS - obviously, there's a huge difference in woods, hardware and craftmanship qualities - but if you do find a (new or second hand) strat that is decently built and finished (you might want to consider CiJ FWIW), plays well, and sounds fine unplugged, then yes it could be worth upgrading the pups, caps and eventually pots. And eventually some hardware pieces like nut and bridge, that also impact tone.

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Re: Guys help me, to find/create the perfect Stratoccaster..!
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2009, 11:41:26 AM »
If the £2000 strat was better then any other strat you've played, then buy that.
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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2009, 12:18:58 PM »
Fender Custom Shop make lovely guitars but IMO the best value by far would be a partscaster.  Depends really if you want the relicing or not, which fender does very well.

My main guitar is a Allparts / Callaham / BKP tele that cost around £700.  It has kind of evolved since I've had it, which is part of the beauty of doing it that way, If you want to swap parts it's easy to do and doesn't affect the guitars originality becuase it was never original in he first place.

My dream Tele was a Nocaster but after picking one up the other day I think I've finally got to a stage where I prefer mine anyway (may be becuase I'm more used to it that anything else).  But certainly the nocaster was no more resonant and weights were probably around the same...

So it depends on budget and the vibe you want really but the next Strat I get will probably be USA Custom Guitars body and neck and possibly Callaham hardware....

If money was absolutely no object, as in I could spend an extra grand on a similar guitar, I'd go for the CS.  For the Vibe, the name and the nice case :D

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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2009, 12:29:32 PM »
If the £2000 strat was better then any other strat you've played, then buy that.

Exactly.

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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2009, 01:07:19 PM »
If the £2000 strat was better then any other strat you've played, then buy that.

Exactly.

huge wedge though!
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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2009, 01:16:05 PM »
If the £2000 strat was better then any other strat you've played, then buy that.
Exactly.

huge wedge though!

If you think of it as one lump sum, then yes, it is a lot of cash. However, if you think of it as a lifetime's investment in the right guitar for you then it's $%&# all.
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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2009, 01:47:59 PM »
If the £2000 strat was better then any other strat you've played, then buy that.
Exactly.

huge wedge though!

If you think of it as one lump sum, then yes, it is a lot of cash. However, if you think of it as a lifetime's investment in the right guitar for you then it's $%&# all.

i think you can get better for far less though, by the right upgrades, full/part custom build, partscaster etc
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« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2009, 02:05:03 PM »
That's the two trains of thought I've come across:

1)  Buy the Fender Custom Shop as the best alternative to a good vintage Fender, they're worth it
2)  Custom Shop guitars are too expensive, I can get something as good for much less money

Usually people fall into one or other of those camps.  Personal preference, and the value of the Fender Custom Shop brand, are what makes people sit either side.

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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2009, 02:41:48 PM »
There's also the matter of how much you can afford, two grand is a lot of money. 

Also how much return you get on your additional expenditure.  You'll get a good guitar for £1,000, you'll get a better one for £2,000, but it won't be twice as good.

Personally, I guess I could afford two grand (only because I have no either vices), but since I don't play in a band and I'm a piss-poor player, I could never regard the expenditure as "justified".  And frankly, even the best guitar in the world is still going to sound rubbish in my hands.  Of course, this doesn't stop me spending lots more than two grand every year on lots of cheaper guitars!  :wink:

There's no right or wrong in this argument.  It's all up to you really!
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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2009, 03:01:56 PM »
I have a really great Highway 1 Strat. A lucky find, and the best of three I've owned. 14 ounces lighter than the last mex Strat I owned, zingy and resonant, yet with good sustain even with the trem floating.

A top end set of pickups (not BKP in this case  :oops:) and some expert fret work, and it owes me just over £700. I'll get a hard case eventually, so it'll be £800 ish.

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Re: Guys help me, to find/create the perfect Stratoccaster..!
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2009, 03:29:39 PM »
Hi guys, Im a passionate new arrival here..In pursuit of my dream Strat.
                                                                                                            I will, nervously - If I -have- to, even though it scares me,-wreck my bank account and buy the modern Fender 'custom shop' stratocaster 'deluxe' like one I played in astonishment down at Mansons a few days ago..-
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Much thanks,
Adi.
                                                 

1-Please do tell which model this strat of all strats is
2-If you decide to buy it I'm pretty sure you can't find it cheaper than MANSONS of all places
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