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« on: November 17, 2005, 09:15:47 PM »
Why are Epiphones so cheap? Do they suck? If you were to change the pick ups , nut, bridge etc etc and do the pepsi challenge with an Epi and a "Real" Gibson how much difference would you feel/notice?
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2005, 09:27:00 PM »
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Why are Epiphones so cheap? Do they suck? If you were to change the pick ups , nut, bridge etc etc and do the pepsi challenge with an Epi and a "Real" Gibson how much difference would you feel/notice?
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Well, after playing a couple Gibsons at music live, I cant see why people would want to pay twice the price for one. To be honest, the ones I played felt the same as my Epi, and would probably sound the same as my Epi with BKPs! The only thing I prefer is Gibsons finishes over Epi's, Epi seem to have too much clear lacquer!

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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2005, 10:41:17 PM »
I really hate the standard finishes on both gibsons and Epiphones (LOVE the faded ones though.) As far as i could tell, they feel almost exactly the same to play, and from all accounts i've heard, with the same pickups in the gibson and the Epi, you'd never tell the difference. What you're paying for with a Gibson is the build quality i guess (which isn't all that great - MIJ Epiphone Elitists, Orvilles, Greco's etc. are supposed to be far better!) Also stock epi pups SUCK.
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2005, 07:53:49 AM »
It's all in the timber and finish - nitro and a proper maple cap  on the Gibsons  :wink:
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2005, 09:25:12 AM »
Well Epis (the good ones MIK) have a full maple cap as normal. However i suspect that some models use Asian variants of mahogany.

I got lucky and got an Epi SG-400 that is a superb player etc. But i have seen several Epi LPs that were bad. I played one with a veeeery good build quality (MIC) but it felt too "plastic", ie the finish must have been too thick.

Nitro imho, is not the finish i would want. Usually people say Nitro is better than Poly, based on the fact that many Poly finished guitars have a thick finish. On the flipside if you try a thin poly finish, the arguement drops. The only advantage of nitro imho is that it fades.

Anyhow, i would get a MIK epi if it was good.
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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2005, 10:09:05 AM »
The only problem with thin poly on mahogany is that the finich sinks into the grain, so nitro just looks better!

I'd never found a maple cap epi...
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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2005, 11:23:01 AM »
don't epis have "alder/mahogany" bodies? i don't trust the sound of that... :?

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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2005, 11:26:32 AM »
That's what I read on the spec, why is that a bad thing?
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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2005, 11:37:23 AM »
A well built Gibson is better than an Epiphone. But that doesn't justify the huge price tag. Gibson does seem to make alot of dogs lately. (No pun intended HJM)
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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2005, 12:19:33 PM »
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That's what I read on the spec, why is that a bad thing?
Depends if you want a Les Paul or an almost Les Paul, Mahogany and alder are a bit like chalk and cheese...
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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2005, 12:20:35 PM »
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That's what I read on the spec, why is that a bad thing?

Mainly because we don't know dpecifically what they mean. Is it a cross-breed? is it alder and mahogany glued together? why have they done this? what is that going to sound like? and probably most importantly its not just pure mahogany like propper gibson.
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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2005, 02:34:01 PM »
i think it means they use what's available, be it indonesian mahogany or alder.  an epi may or may not sound exactly like a gibson, but then, if you play five seemingly identical gibson les pauls you'll get five different sounds, so who's to say the epiphone's wrong?  
some say the gibson's better because it uses one or two pieces of mahogany for the body while the epi may have four different pieces.  so how come people are now paying over the odds for seventies les pauls, which are built nothing like a proper standard, with up to seven pieces of mahogany, a three piece maple neck, and hardly any top carve?  i'd say 7 times out of 10 i'd take an epi les paul before one of those.  not that the construction makes them bad guitars, it was the build quality and penny pinching that did that :roll: .  
i have three gibson les pauls and three epiphones, a gibson is my favourite followed closely by two of the epiphones.  the guitar i currently play the most is an epiphone les paul hollow body.
okay, i've rambled a lot there, point is, the epiphones can't be expected to be exactly like the gibsons, but they are perfecly good guitars in their own right, it's entirely up to the buyer, and whether they need "that" name on the headstock.
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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2005, 03:11:31 PM »
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That's what I read on the spec, why is that a bad thing?

Mainly because we don't know dpecifically what they mean. Is it a cross-breed? is it alder and mahogany glued together? why have they done this? what is that going to sound like? and probably most importantly its not just pure mahogany like propper gibson.


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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2005, 04:11:28 PM »
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Well Epis (the good ones MIK) have a full maple cap as normal. However i suspect that some models use Asian variants of mahogany.

I got lucky and got an Epi SG-400 that is a superb player etc. But i have seen several Epi LPs that were bad. I played one with a veeeery good build quality (MIC) but it felt too "plastic", ie the finish must have been too thick.

Nitro imho, is not the finish i would want. Usually people say Nitro is better than Poly, based on the fact that many Poly finished guitars have a thick finish. On the flipside if you try a thin poly finish, the arguement drops. The only advantage of nitro imho is that it fades.

Anyhow, i would get a MIK epi if it was good.


Yeah thats what I hate about my Epi, the plasticcy look of the finish!

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Re: Why are Epiphones so cheap?
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2005, 05:25:42 PM »
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Why are Epiphones so cheap? Do they suck?

Yes, they suck. I've yet to play one that I've liked. The necks all feel like there are tiny boat anchors holding me back.

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If you were to change the pick ups , nut, bridge etc etc and do the pepsi challenge with an Epi and a "Real" Gibson how much difference would you feel/notice?

By then you could afford a used Gibson, I would think.