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My first pair of BKP's!
« on: February 26, 2010, 04:24:24 PM »
Hi guys!

New guy on the forums. I've heard so much praise about these pickups that i just had to give it a go.

I play mostly Heavy rock (modern) leaning towards thrashmetal Megadeth'ish, with my band.

The pickups i choose was a set of Painkillers, for my LTD EC-1000 VHB. It was just time to switch out the SD's.

Im running it through a ENGL powerball with an ENGL 412VS cab.


Anyone know if i did good in picking out the right pickups?

Thanks!
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Re: My first pair of BKP's!
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2010, 04:28:32 PM »
It was a good choice if YOU are happy :)  Have you got them yet?  If not, let us know how you like them once installed.

& welcome to the forum! :)
BKPs: HD, MM, NB, PK, CS, Ab (b&n); Am (b only); VHII, Tril (n only); IT, Slow, Sult (m&n)

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Re: My first pair of BKP's!
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2010, 04:33:50 PM »
I'm waiting for the them to arrive :) Probably be a good week more so i thought i'd kill some time waiting for it, by coming here :) And sorry if my english is abit off, i'm norwegian.


I picked the painkillers cause i was lacking mids to cut through in band situations. So hoping this will be a good upgrade from the Seymour Duncan 59/JB

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Re: My first pair of BKP's!
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2010, 06:29:54 AM »
I JUST installed a set of calibrated PKs into my Horizon NT-II today, and managed to jam out an hours worth through my Bogner Uberschall TJ.  I had the same pups as you, SD JB/'59.  The PK's are definitely different than the SD's...I think I made the right choice.  They're brutal.  The bridge pup in particular - man, it's punishing.

I'll give a full report once I hear these in their respective arenas...cleans, crunchy, hi-gain, single/double coil, etc.  Right now I'm too knackered to play more tonight.  But ya, I love 'em so far...  I posted some pics in the thread above FYI.

I ended up with the burnt chrome covers just for shites'n giggles.

Peace,
V.

PS - do let me know what you think when you get yours...

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Re: My first pair of BKP's!
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2010, 05:54:28 PM »
Hey mate!
Same head and same cab!!!

But I am using a CS neck and a 500T bridge.
PK will come later hehe
Agonise over your decision for weeks like the rest of us.

CS Neck & 500T bridge

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Re: My first pair of BKP's!
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2010, 12:27:38 AM »
Welcome!  8)

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Re: My first pair of BKP's!
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2010, 12:55:00 AM »
Great choice for the painkillers in your ec guitar- definitely give you that aggression you need !
 I've got a calibrated set in my mahogany schecter and love the aggression they provide with amazing clarity.

the bridge is extremely tight and just has balls- as Tim says, metal God in a pickup is a very apt description...

the neck is one of the most clear articulate and responsive I've ever played- ideal for shred lines, it's just crisp!

Coil split the neck and you got one of the crispest single coils ever in my opinion, funkadelic mate!
c-bomb bridge, cs neck, HD set, MM set, PK set, Alnico BH set

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Re: My first pair of BKP's!
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2010, 03:55:34 PM »
Thanks for great replies!

I'll keep you guys posted on how i enjoy my pups once i get them, seems to have some trouble with the postal services (nothing new there, eh?) But im patient :)

But judging by the comments you guys are putting in, I'm looking forward to getting them ;)

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Re: My first pair of BKP's!
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2010, 04:00:11 AM »
Great choice for the painkillers in your ec guitar- definitely give you that aggression you need !
 I've got a calibrated set in my mahogany schecter and love the aggression they provide with amazing clarity.

the bridge is extremely tight and just has balls- as Tim says, metal God in a pickup is a very apt description...

the neck is one of the most clear articulate and responsive I've ever played- ideal for shred lines, it's just crisp!

Coil split the neck and you got one of the crispest single coils ever in my opinion, funkadelic mate!

Thus far, I'm digging my PK's in the ESP NT-II...  However, I have to ask - yes, a pro tech did the install and actually uses a set of Rebel Yells himself - I find the bridge simply brilliant; I find the neck sweet, these descriptions being in dual humbucker mode.  However, when tapping into single coil mode, the bridge still retains a crisp aggressive air WITH VOLUME, the neck however, seems to be 50% as loud.  Albeit MUCH quieter, it does sound beautiful, but is this 50% volume differential typical?  I can't imagine it being a lame install, as if that were the case, nothing would work - or at least no sound would come out...  3 toggle position, in the example I'm about to give, single coil:
Bridge: excellent clarity, little less output due to single coil, but still just smoking.
Bridge/Neck: sound like a good blend, volume down a bit overall
Neck: beautiful tone, smooth, and articulate, but SO quiet...  :(

In humbucker mode - ZERO problemos.

Any ideas?
V.

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Re: My first pair of BKP's!
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2010, 03:01:02 PM »
I did notice some volume drop when split which is expected to be honest. Just have to compensate by raising the neck pickup as much as possible and secondly compensating with higher clean channel volume (if you have separate channel volumes on your amp of course) if you're using it for a clean tone, well that's what I use it for anyway. Make sure to switch off any compressors in your loop or effects.
c-bomb bridge, cs neck, HD set, MM set, PK set, Alnico BH set

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Re: My first pair of BKP's!
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2010, 08:37:09 PM »

Thus far, I'm digging my PK's in the ESP NT-II...  However, I have to ask - yes, a pro tech did the install and actually uses a set of Rebel Yells himself - I find the bridge simply brilliant; I find the neck sweet, these descriptions being in dual humbucker mode.  However, when tapping into single coil mode, the bridge still retains a crisp aggressive air WITH VOLUME, the neck however, seems to be 50% as loud.  Albeit MUCH quieter, it does sound beautiful, but is this 50% volume differential typical?

Depends on the magnet type, winding - and quite a lot on gain level on the amp. Clearly a split coil is going to be obviously weaker output-wise than a couple coils in series.  I've had some (15+ years) experience with serial/parallel switches on my Vox Custom 24 (which had DM x2ns until I couldn't stand them no more) and I have a 4-way switch on my Tele (=> first position == neck+bridge series). On hi gain settings, going from parallel (or single coil) to series mostly fatten up the tone, but the output level is not that huge. The lower the gain, the most obvious the output level difference (hi gain => clipping => compression). BKPs 'buckers bridges being usually way hotter than the necks, if you only play with a cranked amp, this could explain why you notice the difference on the neck but not (or less) on the bridge.

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  I can't imagine it being a lame install, as if that were the case, nothing would work - or at least no sound would come out... 

Well, not necessarily. A bad solder or half-broken jumper (this can happen even on an otherwise pretty clean install) on the switch could eventually be the culprit - electronic is not an all-or-nothing stuff - but first check (if you didn't already) how the whole thing reacts at lower gain - I mean, pristine clean - settings.

My 2 cents...
Have: Crawlers, BGF 50/52s, Mules, ABomb, RiffRaff
Had : Slowhands (n&m), Trilogy (b)

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Re: My first pair of BKP's!
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2010, 01:58:21 AM »

Thus far, I'm digging my PK's in the ESP NT-II...  However, I have to ask - yes, a pro tech did the install and actually uses a set of Rebel Yells himself - I find the bridge simply brilliant; I find the neck sweet, these descriptions being in dual humbucker mode.  However, when tapping into single coil mode, the bridge still retains a crisp aggressive air WITH VOLUME, the neck however, seems to be 50% as loud.  Albeit MUCH quieter, it does sound beautiful, but is this 50% volume differential typical?  I can't imagine it being a lame install, as if that were the case, nothing would work - or at least no sound would come out...  3 toggle position, in the example I'm about to give, single coil:
Bridge: excellent clarity, little less output due to single coil, but still just smoking.
Bridge/Neck: sound like a good blend, volume down a bit overall
Neck: beautiful tone, smooth, and articulate, but SO quiet...  :(

In humbucker mode - ZERO problemos.

Any ideas?
V.

Thanks for letting me know mate, and it wont be a problem as i wont use coilsplit on this guitar! :)

I've heard that losing some volume is common when coilsplitting, but 50% sounded like much. Hope you can get a better answer then from me :)

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Re: My first pair of BKP's!
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2010, 06:38:03 AM »
This has been excellent feedback - thank you...

Ya, I'm trying to figure it out.  I wasn't playing this particular guitar tonight, so no time.  I'll check the litmus test of the "pristine clean" dual to single volume output - haven't tried that yet.  As mentioned, I am totally aware and educated and experienced in the fact that volume DOES fluctuate with a coil tap...  But in this case, it goes very quiet compared to all other settings, and other guitars.

I'll let you all know how the clean test goes tomorrow.  As for amp cranked and hi gain, yes, this is my arena for this particular guitar - c'mon, I installed PK's for a reason...this isn't a country/rock-a-billy set up  8)

Chat soon!
V.

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Re: My first pair of BKP's!
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2010, 11:44:03 AM »
This has been excellent feedback - thank you...

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 As mentioned, I am totally aware and educated and experienced in the fact that volume DOES fluctuate with a coil tap...  But in this case, it goes very quiet compared to all other settings, and other guitars.

Sorry but I failed to spot these mentions  :?
Have: Crawlers, BGF 50/52s, Mules, ABomb, RiffRaff
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Re: My first pair of BKP's!
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2010, 05:01:33 PM »
I no worries nor need for niceties  :D    The bottom line is, I understand output when comparing dual to single pup outputs.  This is, to me, expected and rather rudimentary.  However, the issue (if it is indeed an issue) is that the neck, in single mode, is disproportionately lower in output than the bridge in single mode.  And this isn't just the fact that bridges in general are hotter and brighter sounding - I'm aware of this as well.  It's as though the SPL is literally about 50% that of the bridge (when both in single coil mode).  Typically, going from the bridge to neck doesn't always effect SPL as much as we think we hear (due to the difference in 'brightness' and 'presence' inherent in the bridge output), but we're accustomed to a somewhat thicker, mellower, smoother sound from the neck - this sounds a bit less in volume when compared to the bridge.  In my particular case, I can play with very soft attack on the bridge (in single coil mode) and it's very prominent and loud (and beautiful).  I move into the neck position, all controls on the guitar being equal, and even with a strong attack, it's literally 50% the volume of the bridge.

I'm enjoying a morning coffee.  I'll get onto my guitars later today and try this "clean versus crunch versus gain" test on 3 different amps.  I may take samples to share on this site.  To do this methodically and controlled, I would like to employ a close mic and an ambient mic - this way my console will also be able to tell me if the SPL is truly effected or if it's simply a matter of timbre change.

Best,
V.