Keepin the Jazz breeze blowin

[Keven]

Started playing 12 bars with walking bass lines and forcing myself to play a new chord (or inversion) on every beat with extra melody notes amongst them.

that's quite the tip there man. i hadn't thought of it like that. this is a good way to get my students to use the different inversions i teach them instead of just blowing through standards :D

''okey, let's go over a 12 bar in C with I IV V but we'll twist it like this.....''

[Fourth Feline]

Started playing 12 bars with walking bass lines and forcing myself to play a new chord (or inversion) on every beat with extra melody notes amongst them.

that's quite the tip there man. i hadn't thought of it like that. this is a good way to get my students to use the different inversions i teach them instead of just blowing through standards :D

''okey, let's go over a 12 bar in C with I IV V but we'll twist it like this.....''

Yes ; now I am more awake to better re-read your posts  ( nfe and Keven ) - that would indeed be a great idea if I ever got asked to 'Back up' a in Blues / early R&B band again. One of those great ideas that initially reads so obvious , yet the reader ( me ) had not thought about it in that way ;  to keep changing voicings constantly and throughout - instead of a two or three  on the change of I IV V.  Nice one !  :)

And Keven, I didn't realise you were also an educator .  Another great angle / source of ideas.  :)

As Choucas remarked, it's great for the ;Geezers' on this thread get diverse input from  those with a fresh perspective and eclectic tastes / styles . It enriches and expands this particular 'musical soup' quite delightfully .  :)

[MDV]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5VzbQQEQo0

Dont ask me, I only post here!

[Fourth Feline]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5VzbQQEQo0

Dont ask me, I only post here!

Yes, I certainly see what you mean with that one .  :)

It would have been interesting to see the principal player expanding on his ( Allan Holdsworth flavoured ) ideas more , in 'extreme close up' .     As well as the noted Jazz orientated approach to his lead playing, If one concentrated on things like his choice of guitar , physical relationship to / with the guitar , chosen tone - and his choice of chord voicings,  ( notably those 'piano' type ,  long finger stretches to keep the chord tones aurally compact and more subtle )  - it really was as I could imagine the potential band line up  of :

" Alan Holdsworth and (angry)  friends  - Live ! " .  :)

Whilst I am not suggesting the gentleman in the video was knowingly plagiarising anybody else's ideas - that was a great example of how much music can evolve and entertain in new and exciting ways, when there is 'bleed through' between the less obvious camps. He had certainly absorbed something other than the 'usual'  by Osmosis . A tradition of 'unlikely secret Jazz smugglers' , exemplified by old guard Metal players like Tony Iommi - amongst others.

Jazz to scare Granny with .  :lol:

[cerpintaxt]

Funny you should say that, I was listening to "Planet Caravan" earlier and I'm always so impressed with how he handles that guitar solo with the grace and consideration of a "real" jazz player.  I've always loved jazz, and have never really dabbled myself but always having been a blues/funk guitarist at heart, it's definitly an area I'd like to explore.

Some absolutely sublime playing in some of those vids.

Can I offer "In a Silent Way" by Miles Davis as an example of really spacey, tonal guitar exploration? Best listened to whilst lying on the floor, IMO!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMINC9EOZME

[Fourth Feline]

Funny you should say that, I was listening to "Planet Caravan" earlier and I'm always so impressed with how he handles that guitar solo with the grace and consideration of a "real" jazz player.  I've always loved jazz, and have never really dabbled myself but always having been a blues/funk guitarist at heart, it's definitly an area I'd like to explore.

Some absolutely sublime playing in some of those vids.

Can I offer "In a Silent Way" by Miles Davis as an example of really spacey, tonal guitar exploration? Best listened to whilst lying on the floor, IMO!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMINC9EOZME

Thanks for that ;  

I'm listening and enjoying it right now.  :)

I love one of the appreciative comments left on 'You Tube' :   " Lie on your bed and levitate " .  :lol:


P.S.
Blues / Funk  Cerpintaxt ? - now that's cool stuff !  8)

[Keven]

Cynic is the closest thing metal can be to jazz. well, if you forget to-mera (great british prog band with nice jazzy interludes followed by ridiculously heavy stuf...) but i think cynic tend to be more subtle about it, where in to-mera it's all very segmented.

if we go on that edge one may also count Death's ''Human'' and ''Individual Thought Patterns''

jazz is a theory. metal is a tone. mix both and you get alot of neat stuff :D

I really like listening to pat martino when doing solder work or anything tech related, i find all that swingy feel with alot of notes to be awfully relaxing when looking at a schematic or doing some PCB soldering :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GcWqKWxg5Q

i just love ''CD skip'' tricks like he does at 1:08 ish. it's building tension, but with something else than just 'tense notes'... the actual lick becomes tense because it keeps going... going... going.... hellooo?...please! resolve?...pretty please?.... WHOO. there it goes.

[gingataff]

Aha.. page 3 and we're now onto Holdsworth and McLaughlin.

Here are some of my favourite clips of these guys.
Both from Yorkshire.
Must be something in the water.
Malt, hops & yeast would be my guess ;)

Holdsworth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6iXQUr6RZg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWpAFvHduPE

McLaughlin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=w4W9q0v5Gdc&feature=related <- this clip has Matthew Garrison, son of Jimmy, on bass.

[Fourth Feline]

Jazz is a theory. metal is a tone. mix both and you get a lot of neat stuff :D

I really like listening to pat martino when doing solder work or anything tech related, i find all that swingy feel with a lot of notes to be awfully relaxing when looking at a schematic or doing some PCB soldering :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GcWqKWxg5Q

i just love ''CD skip'' tricks like he does at 1:08 ish. it's building tension, but with something else than just 'tense notes'... the actual lick becomes tense because it keeps going... going... going.... hellooo?...please! resolve?...pretty please?.... WHOO. there it goes.

I Liked your statement / as emphasised above ; nicely put .  :)

The Pat Martino really appealed too ; and came in the wake of me reading a brief article on his way of seeing the fretboard, based on visualising /executing / altering everything he does around the 3 diminished chords by the single semi-tone required to make them Dominant, Major or Minor. I realise this  basic idea may be 'old hat' when doing the same thing with any dominant 7 chord ( especially to you Keven )  but the beautiful diagrammatic form of the underlying relationships, revealed the philosophy wonderfully behind his ability  to be scary fast , fluid - but essentially never run out of extended lines.  As with your own appreciation of the tune presented there - and akin to Jimmy Bruno , he still manages to make it sound melodic and sweet. Not bad for a man who had an accident causing a degree of brain damage, and essentially had to start all over again. The 'cd skip' motif you pointed out at 1:08 made me grin too. Very clever Mr. Martino .  :)

I had  ( understandibly ) decided not to delve into his work / methods until I had first made amends for my lack of the basic scale and arppegio foundations  . To re-learn to walk, before running.

I noticed that performance seemed to have ( as it's opening framework ) the evocation of  Miles Davis's ' So what ' ; with that four chorus  Dm, Dm , Ebm, Dm ( repeat ) modal pattern / riff. I did not check that on my guitar, but it certainly seemed at least similar. I look forward very much, to ( eventually ) having enough under my belt to study Pat's methods.

Thank you for posting that inspirational piece, it's combination of 'traditional' darker Jazz tone - and sublime , melodic flow, being right up my street.  :)

 

[Fourth Feline]

Aha.. page 3 and we're now onto Holdsworth and McLaughlin.

Here are some of my favourite clips of these guys.
Both from Yorkshire.
Must be something in the water.
Malt, hops & yeast would be my guess ;)

Holdsworth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6iXQUr6RZg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWpAFvHduPE

McLaughlin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=w4W9q0v5Gdc&feature=related <- this clip has Matthew Garrison, son of Jimmy, on bass.

Stunning and innovative playing by those South Yorkshire chaps. Add Bill Nelson and his 'Adventures on a Yorkshire landscape'  (Live)  to that list too of course ; both geographicaly - and the approach to the ( gorgeous ) solo.

Bear with me on this one chaps; because I LOVE this flowing version of the( two part ) solo / track. Perhaps more Jazz influenced, than all out Jazz ;  all musos involved being talented too. The keyboard solo sitting between Bill's own solo sections, working beautifully too .

 The meat and potatoes cut in at 1:45. I melt to how he 'floats into view' on a gentle sustain, then brakes and accelerates thereafter.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjiArdooBi4

 I liked J.M's  relative restraint in the piece that Gingataff posted.  Sadly, I can attest that the water in my part of Yorkshire does not have the same 'Elixir of couth' in it. I would like a bottle of what relatively local lad Adrian Ingram drinks as well. I tried adding the malt and hops, but it only made matters worse.  

Yorkshire Jazz : " Reet nice "  :lol:

[MDV]

jazz is a theory. metal is a tone.

I couldnt disagree more. They're both both, or either.

They are each different vibes and attitudes.

[gingataff]

 I liked J.M's  relative restraint in the piece that Gingataff posted. 

Is that a challenge? 8)

Here's J.M. showing a lot less restraint:
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=Om6HDUKBbzE&feature=related
And and interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=V28V-_9jBWQ&feature=related

[Fourth Feline]

 I liked J.M's  relative restraint in the piece that Gingataff posted.  

Is that a challenge? 8)

Here's J.M. showing a lot less restraint:
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=Om6HDUKBbzE&feature=related
And and interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=V28V-_9jBWQ&feature=related

I probably phrased that wrongly ; it was not a comment on his undoubtable passion, speed and dexterity, but the way he 'book ended' that with the maturity of being very very much the 'group' man ; the maturity of being an ensemble player , as opposed to certain other players / styles in which it is, the main man**, the main main, the main man, and if the band are lucky, they get a look in too.  definitely meant as a compliment at the time.  :)

He's from Yorkshire, he can do no wrong...  :lol:


( ** or woman ).

[choucas09]

I'm enjoying all the clips. How's this for a tasty trio?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwhkPSEXs1Q&NR=1

[Fourth Feline]

Enjoying this version of the next song I want to arrange for solo guitar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INEUHCbCWwM



I have had a longstanding appreciation of this Lady, ( Who 'our' Tim toured with in '95 and 97'   :D )

The added bonus on this version, being that ( to keep it on topic ) - Martin Taylor guests on guitar . I tend to prefer emotive to overtly technical Jazz.