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Re: Martial Arts
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2010, 11:50:24 PM »
Also been looking into it... waiting to have the free time for it though. Mixed martial arts seems to be a decent thing, got a few mates who go and enjoy it

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Re: Martial Arts
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2010, 12:17:56 PM »
I joined a Shotokan Karate club when I started uni last October and I'm enjoying it a lot. Just graded up to 7th kyu :) Great overall workout as well as learning self defence and most of all it's a lot of fun and great way to release stress! Sure a lot of the stuff you learn isn't applicable in real fights straight away, but you're building core body strength.

I used to work full time, sat on my ass in front of PC for 10 hours a day but now I cycle to lectures every day and do Karate about times a week so my fitness has improved a lot.

I also did a bit of Aikido when I was little, for about 2 years, but got bored of it and quit. I wish I kept it up now.

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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2010, 08:19:19 PM »
what kind of training do the police do?

saw a post on another forum about martial arts and someone said when it comes to defending yourself from real life fights, martial arts being not that much use since it's set pieces and countering other styles, especially with the adrenaline and emotion of a real fight (or something along those lines)

his recommendations being kick boxing and mixed martial arts, ones with regular sparring

what you guys think?

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Re: Martial Arts
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2010, 08:49:30 PM »
If you want to get good at real fighting... Go out and get in a fight.

Then do it again & again. You will learn if you like it and get much better & more comfortable at it each time.

I found I don't like it much.

If you want to do a martial art that's a different thing altogether.

Don't fool yourself into thinking it has much of a relationship to "real fighting" though.

A quick wit, situational awarness and running will serve you better if after trying out "real fighting" you find like me that you don't like it.  :?

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Re: Martial Arts
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2010, 08:50:46 PM »
I joined a Shotokan Karate club when I started uni last October and I'm enjoying it a lot. Just graded up to 7th kyu :) Great overall workout as well as learning self defence and most of all it's a lot of fun and great way to release stress! Sure a lot of the stuff you learn isn't applicable in real fights straight away, but you're building core body strength.

I used to work full time, sat on my ass in front of PC for 10 hours a day but now I cycle to lectures every day and do Karate about times a week so my fitness has improved a lot.

I also did a bit of Aikido when I was little, for about 2 years, but got bored of it and quit. I wish I kept it up now.

Isn't Leeds Uni Shotokan the current Dojo of Sensei Ray Wilson and his son ?  I studied under him in Armley back in the 70s.

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Re: Martial Arts
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2010, 09:03:56 PM »
Y'see, it's all about application.

Afghan Dave is right, in a way - if you want to learn how to fight, go out and fight.

If a martial art is about walking up and down in rows doing single punches time after time, it might not work if your life was threatened...

But martial arts, or at least traditional martial arts, are about more than the physical, and this isn't really the forum to discuss that!!!

When you hit a certain level (and I don't mean that to sound condescending...) you take the art to the level that you need...  when I train, I train with guys who are as experienced and as dedicated as me, and we train hard - that's not the same as fighting, but it's a tool for learning.

The guitar analogy - you need to practice before you hit the stage.  The stage is a great place to learn, but you're a fool if you feel that you can do all of your learning there...

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Re: Martial Arts
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2010, 10:27:15 PM »
I had a brief go at Wing Chun about 20 years ago, didn't much enjoy it, but I do find martial arts an interesting subject although I have no real interest in trying it again (I like the films too!).  So this is an interesting thread from an "outside" perspective, reading your thoughts on different styles and philosophies. 

A quick wit, situational awarness and running will serve you better if after trying out "real fighting" you find like me that you don't like it.  :?

I'm pretty good at the first two.  Guess I should keep working on the running.  :wink:
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Re: Martial Arts
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2010, 03:17:02 AM »
I joined a Shotokan Karate club when I started uni last October and I'm enjoying it a lot. Just graded up to 7th kyu :) Great overall workout as well as learning self defence and most of all it's a lot of fun and great way to release stress! Sure a lot of the stuff you learn isn't applicable in real fights straight away, but you're building core body strength.

I used to work full time, sat on my ass in front of PC for 10 hours a day but now I cycle to lectures every day and do Karate about times a week so my fitness has improved a lot.

I also did a bit of Aikido when I was little, for about 2 years, but got bored of it and quit. I wish I kept it up now.

Isn't Leeds Uni Shotokan the current Dojo of Sensei Ray Wilson and his son ?  I studied under him in Armley back in the 70s.

I've no idea about that. I train with Cambridge Uni Karate Club. I do keep hearing about this Matt Price Sensei from Leeds though. I'll probably go train there few times during the holiday. Didn't know you did karate as well Derek thought you just did weight lifting.

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Re: Martial Arts
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2010, 04:36:33 PM »
I joined a Shotokan Karate club when I started uni last October and I'm enjoying it a lot. Just graded up to 7th kyu :) Great overall workout as well as learning self defence and most of all it's a lot of fun and great way to release stress! Sure a lot of the stuff you learn isn't applicable in real fights straight away, but you're building core body strength.

I used to work full time, sat on my ass in front of PC for 10 hours a day but now I cycle to lectures every day and do Karate about times a week so my fitness has improved a lot.

I also did a bit of Aikido when I was little, for about 2 years, but got bored of it and quit. I wish I kept it up now.

Isn't Leeds Uni Shotokan the current Dojo of Sensei Ray Wilson and his son ?  I studied under him in Armley back in the 70s.

I've no idea about that. I train with Cambridge Uni Karate Club. I do keep hearing about this Matt Price Sensei from Leeds though. I'll probably go train there few times during the holiday. Didn't know you did karate as well Derek thought you just did weight lifting.

Hiya  Kaz .  :)

I must apologise for my initial oversight, as I did not realise you were 'A Cambridge Man'   :) - but should have guessed , as your manner. grace and intellect seemed to merit such.

I haven't practiced ( Shotokan ) Karate since the late 70's , albeit getting a chance to occasionally meet practitioners of Wing Chun - and other styles in the 80s.  Back in the 70's , my all time favourite club,  was a Shotokan club which met at an old church hall in Bradford, under the remarkable  Sensei Walter Legge.  Remarkable in that he was not only very adept, but also a very nice and ego - less guy. His physical appearance  and mannerisms being somewhere between T.V. Detective 'Columbo' - and the craggy solidity of actor Charles Bronson.  As a middle aged man, he was very tightly muscled . 'ripped' - and vigorous in his stride ; yet with this gentle and polite way of pushing you very hard.   After that, many clubs became too commercial for my tastes - and much of the old 'true' spirit of Shotokan - and Karate-Do in general ( as exemplified by the example and wishes of Master Gichin Funakoshi  ) seemed to erode fast.

The weightlifting (or any other physical condtioning I have since done ) still is carried out in the attitude of the Dojo and remains an extension of Karate skills and ethics.   As martial artists everywhere will appreciate, you never 'forget' what you learn, nor does the spirit of your 'past art' ever leave you.

 The reason I like weightlifting / strength training ( as opposed to my long past interests in Bodybuilding ) as an extension of that Dojo , is an ethos of absolute ( albeit relaxed ) concentration, NO dramatic shouts and grunts, beyond pressuring and releasing the 'air'  in the abdomen , treating the body as one 'flowing' piece - and certainly NO dropping Deadlifts !   :lol: It's the same spirit as the Dojo, - for if I had to drop a Deadlift, then I had either not set my starting posture correctly ; or gone for a weight dictated by ego - that I could not truly control. Then there is the functional simplicity of squeezing every drop out of my 'Holy Trinity' of Deadlifts , Deep squats , Clean and press. One also 'practices' - not 'works out'. But one practices daily. Two sets of five reps or 3 x 3 being more the norm.  

As all of it ( for me ) is an extension and expression of the Warrior spirit, I 'practice' little and often - and always in street clothes and barefoot or flat soled shoes.  I do not go to failure in daily practice , but instead practice often and sustainably . To be more 'effective' than one appears , without outward 'show' - and resolve to continue developing that quality of lifting / striking power that comes from the exquisite balancing of  tension and relaxation.

You can leave the Dojo, but if your heart is correctly orientated - the Dojo never leaves you.  :)
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Re: Martial Arts
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2010, 04:44:44 PM »
Kungfu has a steep learning curve, Karate and Taekwondo are more "accessible" if you want to say so.

If you just wanna kick the hell out of things, go with Karate/Taekwondo/Kickboxing. Kungfu is great - maybe the "King" of Martial Arts, but I quit because I didn't have time for it for more than 2-3 hours per week.
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Re: Martial Arts
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2010, 07:02:44 PM »
The weightlifting (or any other physical condtioning I have since done ) still is carried out in the attitude of the Dojo and remains an extension of Karate skills and ethics.   As martial artists everywhere will appreciate, you never 'forget' what you learn, nor does the spirit of your 'past art' ever leave you.

 The reason I like weightlifting / strength training ( as opposed to my long past interests in Bodybuilding ) as an extension of that Dojo , is an ethos of absolute ( albeit relaxed ) concentration, NO dramatic shouts and grunts, beyond pressuring and releasing the 'air'  in the abdomen , treating the body as one 'flowing' piece - and certainly NO dropping Deadlifts !   :lol: It's the same spirit as the Dojo, - for if I had to drop a Deadlift, then I had either not set my starting posture correctly ; or gone for a weight dictated by ego - that I could not truly control. Then there is the functional simplicity of squeezing every drop out of my 'Holy Trinity' of Deadlifts , Deep squats , Clean and press. One also 'practices' - not 'works out'. But one practices daily. Two sets of five reps or 3 x 3 being more the norm.  

As all of it ( for me ) is an extension and expression of the Warrior spirit, I 'practice' little and often - and always in street clothes and barefoot or flat soled shoes.  I do not go to failure in daily practice , but instead practice often and sustainably . To be more 'effective' than one appears , without outward 'show' - and resolve to continue developing that quality of lifting / striking power that comes from the exquisite balancing of  tension and relaxation.

You can leave the Dojo, but if your heart is correctly orientated - the Dojo never leaves you.  :)

hey forth feline, how often you mix up your sets? I don't know much on the differences of strength building VS mass building but most of my knowledge comes from the scooby workshop site and he seems to have a 4 week cycle with each week aimed at a specific amount of reps and rest to stop his body adapting

good to hear you practice good form :)

got my hands on a book the other day by an ectomorph for harder gainers, not started reading it yet but I'm hoping I can fine tune my knowledge rather than relying on what worked for those with gifted genetics


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« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2010, 09:30:54 PM »
The weightlifting (or any other physical condtioning I have since done ) still is carried out in the attitude of the Dojo and remains an extension of Karate skills and ethics.   As martial artists everywhere will appreciate, you never 'forget' what you learn, nor does the spirit of your 'past art' ever leave you.

 The reason I like weightlifting / strength training ( as opposed to my long past interests in Bodybuilding ) as an extension of that Dojo , is an ethos of absolute ( albeit relaxed ) concentration, NO dramatic shouts and grunts, beyond pressuring and releasing the 'air'  in the abdomen , treating the body as one 'flowing' piece - and certainly NO dropping Deadlifts !   :lol: It's the same spirit as the Dojo, - for if I had to drop a Deadlift, then I had either not set my starting posture correctly ; or gone for a weight dictated by ego - that I could not truly control. Then there is the functional simplicity of squeezing every drop out of my 'Holy Trinity' of Deadlifts , Deep squats , Clean and press. One also 'practices' - not 'works out'. But one practices daily. Two sets of five reps or 3 x 3 being more the norm.  

As all of it ( for me ) is an extension and expression of the Warrior spirit, I 'practice' little and often - and always in street clothes and barefoot or flat soled shoes.  I do not go to failure in daily practice , but instead practice often and sustainably . To be more 'effective' than one appears , without outward 'show' - and resolve to continue developing that quality of lifting / striking power that comes from the exquisite balancing of  tension and relaxation.

You can leave the Dojo, but if your heart is correctly orientated - the Dojo never leaves you.  :)

hey forth feline, how often you mix up your sets? I don't know much on the differences of strength building VS mass building but most of my knowledge comes from the scooby workshop site and he seems to have a 4 week cycle with each week aimed at a specific amount of reps and rest to stop his body adapting

good to hear you practice good form :)

got my hands on a book the other day by an ectomorph for harder gainers, not started reading it yet but I'm hoping I can fine tune my knowledge rather than relying on what worked for those with gifted genetics



For me it's all in this book ;  the one that absolutely changed my perspective and methods some years ago :

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3612825/Pavel-Tsatsouline-Power-To-The-People

Forgive ( and climb over ) the rather gimmicky marketing . The contents are pure enlightenment.  I bought the hard copy version as well, but the above is handy for keeping the book 'mint'.  I also get a great deal out of kettle bell usage ( The same author does a good book on that topic as well ).

If you are curious ( after reading the above ) - my own preference between using a series of 'Linear' - 'Step' - or 'Wave' training cycles  - is the 'Step' cycle.  All work, but in middle age - the 'Step' confers more advantages for me.

Beyond that, I had better not comment / list on the forum what / who I eventually found to be the best suppliers of  'hardware' - unless you wanted me to P.M. you away from the commercial interests of Tim's forum.  Not that they conflict, but I don't want to advertise other folk's commercial interests on a free access site. :)

The above book cured me of traditional 'Bodybuilding' forever - even though there is a section in the attached book 'preview' that gives you a set / rep / %  routine to gain the best of both size and strength worlds, if you so wish.   I never fully understood / felt the best way to generate incredible tension, until I practiced the above - and likewise did not fully  feel / understand the necessity of correct hip involvement in Olympic type deep squats / clean and Jerk / sprinting - until I spent sometime with the basic kettle bell 'swing'.

Out of secondary interest, articles and routines readily found on the internet by Dan John ( nice guy - and makes  routines  fun )  -   Mark Rippetoe - and the guy that runs the 'Stronglifts- 5x5 ' website / forum / free e:book download are also valuable after you have understood and practiced the principles in the above..

HOWEVER , I would   strongly recommend that you first concentrate on the attached item  first and foremost , to better understand why all the other folks stuff works - and meanwhile be able to do it all most effectively on minimum equipment.

 :D
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Re: Martial Arts
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2010, 02:34:14 AM »
I have studied Sambo, Krav Maga and Taekwondo for several years and i personally found the most practical are sambo and krav maga.
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« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2010, 10:54:03 AM »
I have studied Sambo, Krav Maga and Taekwondo for several years and i personally found the most practical are sambo and krav maga.

Yes, If I started again it would be Krav Maga ; and nearly did enrol at a local 'club' last year, before other issues  delayed that. I  like the way that it encourages you to bring with you whatever benefits / skills you had gleaned from past disciplines.  I also like how it is based on extensions of what one would tend to instinctively / naturally do - and  'cuts to the chase' of Urban self defence.

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« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2010, 03:14:00 AM »
ahhhh more reading :P

going to finish off this body builder fat burning book first, 350 pages!!! can't believe I'm up to the last chapter already