sped up video?

[dheim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0vctp35IkA

he's jeff loomis, not a bedroom shredder... he's an hell of a guitarist. but this video looks suspicious... movements are not completely natural... is it just me?

[FELINEGUITARS]

Funny thing about playing that is as fast as this from a viewers point of view.....
I watched for the first 10 seconds then lost interest as it became difficult to follow musically and was lacking emotion to my ears.
He's a fantastic and pretty tasty player but there was nothing memorable about anything he played (or nothing I could hum to anyway)

[MDV]

No, I see it, later in some of the rhythm sections.

I mean, its possible to play that fast, and loomis can almost certainly do t, but theres something too jerky and irregular in the swinging of his hair.

Why do you have to hum something for it to be good? I thought all of that ranged from musically interesting to outright great.

[Fourth Feline]

Fretboard wan**ng.

Next ...

[dheim]

in my opinion (and god knows how much i DON'T love shredding) Loomis is, above all, a GREAT guitarist and a great musician... don't be fooled by the obvious sweeps and scales, he has a sense of timing and (dis)harmony that goes far beyond shred... and, strange or not, i actually hum his stuff!

anyway i started having the impression that something's wrong in that video from the rhythm parts... not just his hair (the pass hanging from his neck devoids gravitational effects too), but there's something inhuman in the way his hands move while striking simple power chords... the original songs this solos are taken from are more or less this fast, but i suspect that some genious sped the video just a bit (and THAT's wanking!) to make him sound even faster. as Feline said it's funny and completely absurd, when the original material is already damn fast!

[phlip]

It does look odd, but I don;t think it's sped up. I think you're seeing dropped frames from a bad frame rate conversion from the source video hence the jerkyness of movement.

The drums and peoples voices in the background sound normal to me which is usually tell tale sign of video doctoring.

Must admit the playing didn't do anything for me musically, impressive technically though.

[Davey]

i think philip nailed it. bad camera and the youtube conversion -> cr@ppy video ..

i LOVE the comments though

HE CAN PALM MUTE WITH HIS HAIR!

had me in stitches! hahahaha

[Fourth Feline]

HE CAN PALM MUTE WITH HIS HAIR!

Sadly, it's in no condition to do so.

[FELINEGUITARS]

Why do you have to hum something for it to be good? I thought all of that ranged from musically interesting to outright great.

You probably don't , but when I think of great riffs or great solos (and this is just my own personal preferences) they are ones that you can remember in some form or another . They may be melodic or quirky, but ultimately something you can look forward to when hearing a track.

Admittedly later in the track he does a few more tasty riff like pieces (he is a brilliant player and has great technique - no doubt about it), and I do accept that this is a demonstration of his prowess at a trade show rather than a demonstration of his composition skills.

I like a player with a turn of speed, but it is more thrilling when he has been previously been playing at a slower pace (not unlike a sports car accelerating feels like a thrill, whilst driving constantly at 100mph feels little different from driving at 20mph - it's the acceleration /g force change that gives you goosebumps).

But that is just my own tastes

[Fourth Feline]

I like a player with a turn of speed, but it is more thrilling when he has been previously been playing at a slower pace (not unlike a sports car accelerating feels like a thrill, whilst driving constantly at 100mph feels little different from driving at 20mph - it's the acceleration /g force change that gives you goosebumps).

Nicely put Jonathan .  :)


My own tastes dictate that music should have a marked emotive content , and whatever that emotion be , that it be contrasted in presentation - as in life . Akin to the difference between Herbert von Karajan conducting, and Simon Rattle or Leonard Bernstein.  That it should grasp some part of you  that is meaningful ; then take it for an eventful journey.

[Afghan Dave]

I like a player with a turn of speed, but it is more thrilling when he has been previously been playing at a slower pace (not unlike a sports car accelerating feels like a thrill, whilst driving constantly at 100mph feels little different from driving at 20mph - it's the acceleration /g force change that gives you goosebumps).

Nicely put Jonathan .  :)

This clip addresses that point (musically & literally)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFNB0u1-84A

[Fourth Feline]

I like a player with a turn of speed, but it is more thrilling when he has been previously been playing at a slower pace (not unlike a sports car accelerating feels like a thrill, whilst driving constantly at 100mph feels little different from driving at 20mph - it's the acceleration /g force change that gives you goosebumps).

Nicely put Jonathan .  :)

This clip addresses that point (musically & literally)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFNB0u1-84A

Oooo yes !  That was captivating .  There was a real narrative that developed ; and when it took off, it became dizzying.  At no point did he loss touch of the original feeling . :)

As the chap said about Jeff Beck, " Every note, had a purpose involved ".  I recall Jeff Beck as 'head honcho' on the excellent Roger Waters album " Amused To Death ". very moving, but technically 'solid'.

Thanks for posting that.  :D

[MDV]

Why do you have to hum something for it to be good? I thought all of that ranged from musically interesting to outright great.

You probably don't , but when I think of great riffs or great solos (and this is just my own personal preferences) they are ones that you can remember in some form or another . They may be melodic or quirky, but ultimately something you can look forward to when hearing a track.

Admittedly later in the track he does a few more tasty riff like pieces (he is a brilliant player and has great technique - no doubt about it), and I do accept that this is a demonstration of his prowess at a trade show rather than a demonstration of his composition skills.

I like a player with a turn of speed, but it is more thrilling when he has been previously been playing at a slower pace (not unlike a sports car accelerating feels like a thrill, whilst driving constantly at 100mph feels little different from driving at 20mph - it's the acceleration /g force change that gives you goosebumps).

But that is just my own tastes

Thats fine, not gonna tell you what to like; its just that you phrased your prior judgement a little absolutely. Music is subjective, of course.

Derek, this does not lack emotional content - to many listeners its taut, intense, aggressive and powerful music, and loomis does it very well. These are as much parts of the human condition as anything else. That you dont hear that in music or look for it in it doesnt mean that there is no emotional content. It also achieves this while being meticulously crafted and premeditated - ever the paradox of writing metal; its a genre that demands exacting attention to detail, planning and practice, but needs to sound spontaneous and carry a lot of forward motion and life in the sound, and loomis is very good at this as well (to those that are acclimatised to hearing that/looking for it of course) and giving you your next hit (metal often being a drug-like music that rouses some atavistic adrenal response; you listen to it to get a 'fix' as much as anything else).

Plus I'd argue that while most arts find their impact in contrast, metal can often find its impact in relentlessness.

There is also an element of 'musical games', and technique games - the playing of something because it sounds $%&#ing cool, or is fun to play. Jazz is also rife with this ;)

I had expected you to be more open minded, did I miss a meeting?

[Afghan Dave]

or



Same but somehow different?

[MDV]

I'm hungry now.

mmmmmmmm steaaaaak