Forget bigotgate

[AndyR]

Good to see that Theresa May, great adversary of gay rights, abortion, the right to end life and stem cell and embryological research gets a new job.

Equality commisioner.

:lol:

[Philly Q]

there's only one Socialist Labour MP, and the rest of the party would like to see him lose his seat!  :lol:

Who's that?

[nfe]

there's only one Socialist Labour MP, and the rest of the party would like to see him lose his seat!  :lol:

Who's that?

John McDonnell. Some would say Jon Cruddas too, but really he's centre-left at best these days. He'd be a good candidate for the leadership though, as he would present a real opposition, but I think he's likely to run as a depute candidate with David Miliband to try and garner support from both Blairites and Brownites.

[Philly Q]

I thought you might say John McDonnell, a friend of mine was a big supporter of that brief attempt he made on the party leadership.

But isn't Jeremy Corbyn a socialist then?  Or Dennis Skinner?

[nfe]

Well, yeah  :lol: I suppose I meant notable, or prominant socialist. One that has influence.

Though in saying that, McDonnell doesn't have much influence either nowadays, and if Milibnd ends up leader, even less so. I'm surprised he hasn;t defected already, he'd still likely keep his seat as an independent, or as a member of one of the socialist parties.

[dave_mc]

Thing is, any one of those needs at least a dissertation writing on why it was a bad thing. There's not really much point in just listing things without justification.


I don't know who installed the leather sofa on this fence but quite frankly I don't care. It's comfy.

i think they're fairly obviously wrong. I'm not writing a dissertation. :lol:

Two other gigantic ones I forgot:

- university tuition fees
- lowering capital gains tax from 40% to 10%.

Not sure how i forgot those, especially the tuition fees one, and that's one thing I'm REALLY mad about.

Thank you Dave_mc, at least there is someone who has been living in the real world not the f**king Socialist Republic of Fantasy

funnily enough my problem with labour is that they aren't lefty enough (though I'm also a bit of a libertarian on social issues, so labour's complete disregard for civil liberties annoys me too). :) my big problem with new labour is that it seems to be the worst of both the left and the right.

grr, the stupid quote thing has stopped working, but (to lew) i'd say that brown was elected as much as any other PM. He won a seat at parliament, and the party voted him to be the leader. Granted, he didn't win an election campaign, but he's paid for that now, so...

[38thBeatle]

Theresa May is actually the Home Secretary not "Equality commisioner"  As far as I am aware there is no such role in the Cabinet.

[Plexi Ken]

HOME SECRETARY AND MINISTER FOR WOMEN AND EQUALITY - THERESA MAY

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8675705.stm#may

[nfe]

Theresa May is actually the Home Secretary not "Equality commisioner"  As far as I am aware there is no such role in the Cabinet.

My bad, I muddled my words, it's minister for Women and Equality, as Plexi Ken has posted above.

[nfe]

Also, I've just seen on Have I Got News For You that the Sun ran the headline Dave New World  :lol:

One imagines the irony of them running a pun inadvertently referencing a book about the government practicing eugenics, strict class barriers and keeping the population brainwashed and emotionally suppressed with drugs may have been lost on most of their readership.

[38thBeatle]

Well I stand ( slightly) corrected and hang my head in shame. Dave New World- that is funny though.

[dave_mc]

Also, I've just seen on Have I Got News For You that the Sun ran the headline Dave New World  :lol:

One imagines the irony of them running a pun inadvertently referencing a book about the government practicing eugenics, strict class barriers and keeping the population brainwashed and emotionally suppressed with drugs may have been lost on most of their readership.

oh dear. mainly the fact it's the worst pun ever. but yeah, the irony of the book. i thought it was something of a critique of socialism, though, though i could be wrong there. i thought the main thrust of it was even if the government were benign, it could have results which were very, very sinister.

[Dr. Stein]

Thing is, any one of those needs at least a dissertation writing on why it was a bad thing. There's not really much point in just listing things without justification.


I don't know who installed the leather sofa on this fence but quite frankly I don't care. It's comfy.

i think they're fairly obviously wrong. I'm not writing a dissertation. :lol:

In that case you must know a great deal more than I do about these issues, which is possible, but as always "I think it's obvious" is far from an argument. Your bland assertions may be right, but they are still bland assertions. As such, I reject all of them.

[Afghan Dave]

In that case you must know a great deal more than I do about these issues, which is possible, but as always "I think it's obvious" is far from an argument. Your bland assertions may be right, but they are still bland assertions. As such, I reject all of them.

OK, please just humour me and tell me how either of these list items could be characterised as "a good thing" ?

-selling off gold reserves when gold was at an all-time low
-social mobility is getting worse, not better

Go on... I'm all ears.  :?

[Dr. Stein]

Do you mean you can genuinely not imagine a situation where either would be desirable? The first could be desirable simply if you need money quickly. Cash flow. The second, social mobility is zero in a utopian state, lowering social mobility in order to approach such would be a good move.

Not that's what is actually happening. I don't have a clear conception of the real situation, so you guys tell me if you know...