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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2005, 05:09:03 PM »
well to be honest if anyone of you guys offered to trade my peavey bandit 112 and stock gibson sg special for a bareknuckle loaded guitar and tube amp id turn you down. i'm really happy with my sound, and even better is that it was pretty cheap, and sound good across all volumes.

some people have different tastes. i personally hate tube amps, but 90% of guitarists love them (and yes i've compared them, jcm800's or dsl's just dont float my boat) maybe your friend feels the same?

but the whole, i have a gibson and marshall- it MUST be the best thing is a bit wrong. also sounds like a total guitar reader too...
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« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2005, 05:16:38 PM »
Thing is, just because BKPS sound better than xxx brand pickup, it DOES NOT mean that xxx brand pickup is shitee... it means that we have found something new which sounds better...

Remember, if BKPs didnt exist then we'd all be on an EMG forum (or something) saying how good they are :lol:

I'm all for promoting good stuff like BKPs, but you gotta have tact and not just blatantly rubbish everything else.. when you do that people get defensive and wont listen..

the 'hey man, that sounds good, but these new pickups i got are killer, why dont you have a go with some?' approach works better than 'man, your tone is shite, get some decent gear like mine!' one..

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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2005, 05:19:47 PM »
Yeah thats true chrisola, I dont slag off his gear (to his face :lol:)I just tell him what I think could sound better!

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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2005, 06:18:32 PM »
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Another friend of mine is getting a Gibson soon after xmas (one of the cheap £650 studios or something). However he will be running it (stock!) through a Boss ME50 and a Marshall Valvestate halfstack!

I was telling him to consider getting a better amp first so he will appreciate the sound of the new guitar more but he says "I dont want a valve amp, theres no point, I can get a better sound through my setup as I have hundreds of different effects to emulate a better amp. The only way I will be able to enhance my sound is by getting a Gibson" I dont understand!!

I was then saying that replacing the stock Epi pickups in his guitar with BKPs would probably sound better than stock Gibson pickups of course he says "No, they are on a Gibson, how can they possibly be cr@p, why do you think Gibson are the best guitars?!" I then explained why Bareknuckles sound better (due to handwinding, better materials and all that kinda stuff) and he just ends with "You really do talk out of your arse sometimes". Ignorance? I dont know, but its bloody annoying!

Not sure whether this should've gone in Time Out or not but it is about Guitars, Amps and Effects!

Rant type thing over  :lol:


i have the same problem on other forums- some people just don't want to be helped... there are too many (false) rumours around, and a lot of people prefer to listen to rumours from charlatans than hard facts from people who actually know- look at the increase in people using "alternative" medicines, for example.

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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2005, 06:28:03 PM »
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people prefer to listen to rumours from charlatans than hard facts from people who actually know- look at the increase in people using "alternative" medicines, for example.

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« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2005, 12:57:14 AM »
:D OK first, ask your mate what the difference between a Ford costing £7000. & a Ford costing £18000 ? is when he says "well your paying for quality" there `ya go !!!  1; he is paying £600 for a guitar that actually only cost around £150 to make ? it`s called building down to a price, thats why its only costing £600 !! 2; then ask him what the difference is between a gibbo LP studio & a Standard ? [ beside the binding ] again building down to a price !!

As for Marshalls. everybody wants a Marshall !! as this forum proves most of you young`ns on it can`t afford a full on JCM800 or Plexi stack !! so Marshall make cheaper amps so that people who don`t have wads of cash can actually have a Marshall badge on an amp. They build amps for all budgets !! you won`t get a Plexi for £150 !!! you get what you pay for !!!! :roll:
The reason they are building "Handwired" amps is because those of us that can afford them want a hand wired Marshall !!! :wink:

As for modelling amps. They serve a purpose that is to give guitar players options they won`t get any other way. Not every guitar player is playing in a situation that they can use stacks !!! modeling gives them a cheap & good way out. Use them to help you decide WHAT valve amp you will go after !!  :D

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« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2005, 06:41:09 AM »
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As for modelling amps. They serve a purpose that is to give guitar players options they won`t get any other way . . . modeling gives them a cheap & good way out. Use them to help you decide WHAT valve amp you will go after !!  :D

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« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2005, 12:27:47 PM »
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what the difference is between a gibbo LP studio & a Standard ? [ beside the binding ] again building down to a price !!


If you compare a Standard to a Studio side by side (even a copy of a Standard), you'll notice that the Studio is about 5mm THINNER. They use a slightly thinner maple cap, which is of a much lower grade than that used on a Standard (hence they're usually a block colour, mine was black) this means that the Studio actually sounds a little bit darker than a Standard. Of course, the binding add's a large labour cost as well.

The current pickups used in the Studio are older 490R/498T's, which were used on Standard's to 2002, when the Burstbucker became standard equipment (and loads of other tweaks for the LP's 50th birthday). The older pickups never really sounded that great either.
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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2005, 01:15:03 PM »
my epi V was my first guitar, i tweaked it up gradually over the years and its still my favourite.

whenever i played a gibson in a music shop i've always been dissapointed considering the high price. every single epiphone i tried has been highly playable, even if the hardware has been low quality sometimes, or pickups weren't up to it.

if your at least a semi-decent player, and have a good 'relationship' with your guitar... i think this is perhaps the most important thing. then if the axe sounds great, you can take on anyone IMHO.

just my thoughts on this.
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« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2005, 02:14:50 PM »
"modeling gives them a cheap & good way out. Use them to help you decide WHAT valve amp you will go after !!  "

Precisely.

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I have a boss BR864 8 track recorder with more effects and modelling that you could poke a stick at. When D/I 'ing it to a PA or even into a clean channel of an amp it sounds absolute rubbish.

But thats not why i got it.

Use all the inbuilt effects to attain the tone I'm after then I can find out what I'm pretty sure i need before handing over a lot of cash to the local music store!!

I've saved alot of money that way.

I just happen to change my mind alot :lol:
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« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2005, 02:35:29 PM »
In (slight) defence of your friend, a Marshall Valvestate does what it does perfectly well.  My first guitar amp was a dodgy 35w Peavey of some kind or another, and I sounded a hell of a lot better when I changed it for a Valvestate 8080.  And then, things sounded an order of magnitude better again when I retired the Charvel Charvette in favour of a Gibson LP :).  I knew I didn't sound as good as I would through an all-tube amp, but I sounded pretty damn good, actually (like the punters cared!), and it would have been some time before I might have decided to change up to a 50w head or something (100w would probably be more than I needed!).  

The Valvestate (still sitting in my parents garage in the US, waiting) was very cost effective -- as was the Laney TubeFusion hybrid I used over here.  As for the Gibson LP ... OK, pimping an Epi might have been more cost effective, but I didn't think so much that way back then, didn't have access to forums full of clever guitarists :), and had serious Gibson-lust that needed slaking!  (That said, I was in the US and got a decent deal on a second-hander, so I can't say I'd do it different now :).) On the other hand, I weren't gonna buy no "Studio"!  Only the "Standard" would do, all or nothing! :)

All right, I suppose some people might actually prefer the tone of a hybrid or solid-state combo to an all-tube -- but that's weird! ;)  For most of us, all-valve will sound better.  And I don't even like multi-FX units, never did.  But even modelling has its place: I like being able to record decent sounding demos quick, easy, and silent at home -- and trying different amp types.  And I could always get a real tube amp or two someday and run them through a hotplate into my digital cab sims (probably easier than building a bunker in which I can cut loose with mic'd stacks :)).

But everyone has different priorities at different times, and the key thing is to use what you like and are happy with wherever you are.  You can always sell it on later when you change your mind (and you probably will :)).
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« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2005, 04:40:35 PM »
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yeah, and organic potatoes are the most poisonous potatoes in the world...


trust me, i know chemistry  8)


hmm, you know any chemistry dave? like water is h02 or something, right? :lol:
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« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2005, 04:53:21 PM »
Yeah I know what you mean about the modelling stuff carlaz. I have a V-Amp 2 which is good for recording quickly and quietly, but I never really liked the sound through a clean amp.

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« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2005, 05:06:48 PM »
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Yeah I know what you mean about the modelling stuff carlaz. I have a V-Amp 2 which is good for recording quickly and quietly, but I never really liked the sound through a clean amp.

Oh, yeah, 100%!  I wouldn't be very happy using digital modelling live -- I'd prefer my hybrid combos live over modelling! I mean, I know you can get those amps that are designed to use with digital modelling, but ... the real thing is better.  The right tool for the job, and all that :)
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« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2005, 08:46:08 PM »
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yeah, and organic potatoes are the most poisonous potatoes in the world...


trust me, i know chemistry  8)


hmm, you know any chemistry dave? like water is h02 or something, right? :lol:


yeah, i love the way he assumed i knew no chemistry...
and i wasn't talking about "organic foods", i was talking about alternative medicines- shows how much you know about chemistry