BK Users EQ Charts - Your Experiences Please

[gepetto33]

*** Keep in mind, all of these pickups were in a Telecaster Custom HH Spalted Maple.  I've come to the realization this is indeed a dark guitar, and the ratings are based as such.  Tuning to Db standard, w/ 56-13 strings caused alot of the voicing to shift as well.  Here's what i found...

                       
                         Bass     Mid     Treble

Miracle Man -       8          4         7

     HUUUGE Low end.  The slightly scooped nature of this pickup made for a scooped guitar sound.  I actually really did like the way the highs sounded, but the other eq attributes were simply not voiced for this guitar/tuning.  This is a pickup for balanced guitars, or else you run the risk of too much highs or too much lows.  I would suggest this pickup for somebody tuned to standard looking to beef up their guitar sound. 

Cold Sweat -       7          5          8

     It's easy to assume that this and the Miracle Man were cut from the same cloth.  Tim actually told me to think about this as a lower output MM.  It has slightly less lows, but the same amount of highs; BOY DOES IT HAVE HIGHS.  With my particular high-gain tube preamp it was difficult not to get distortion.  Very strange anomaly indeed.  The highs were trying so hard to push through that i could use a quarter less gain than normal and still have a shitee-ton of distortion.  Very clear.  Very dynamic, as everyone remarked.  Can't shake the high end, at any cost.  Know that you are buying a bright, bright pickup, but it has the lows to match, so it really fits well in anything looking to play distorted and heavy.

Rebel yell -         5          7          5

    Best BKP for this guitar, thus far.  Once i realized i had a dark guitar, i entertained the crazy notion of trying this pickup.  For heavy, nasty, metal, crusty, extreme styles of music you won't find many examples of this pickup.  It's a slightly untapped resource.  Tight, tight mids.  Thick low mids, with high mids that cut like a knife.  I REALLY wish my guitar itself was just a bit brighter to better match this pickup, but it's the closest BK to what i'm looking for.  If you need midrange and don't want to take the ceramic route (or if the Painkiller sounds a little over the top for you), then this is a good route to go.  Keep in mind that this thing doesn't have a ton of lows, so a thin guitar will still sound.... slightly thin (unless you aren't going for a heavy, nasty distorted tone).  If your guitar is dark, and/or your tuning/string gauge a bit bassy, then this thing can be a great balance to give you a pronounced, poignant midrange - if you so desire. 

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Miracle Man bridge
Really focused tight sound with loads of definition the midrange is just right imho the highs sizzle nicely


B=6 -
M=4.3 (im serious here) -
T=8

Ill do the MQ neck tomorrow as i havent had it long enough to be able to do it off the top of my head

[MDV]

Thanks chaps.

[Keven]

from extensive playing with my CS and RR set, i'd have to say this
     
Bridge CS: B 8 M6 T8 being hotter it has more bass than my black dog, but it's shifted a bit lower so it doesn't mud up the mids at all.

Neck RR: B5 M6 T8 very clean and singing clean tone. very paffy lead tone. the keyword here is: clear!

[shobet]

MDV, why don't you use something like Google Charts to give us nice graphical images derived from the data you've collected?

http://code.google.com/apis/chart/

It takes a bit of reading but they do also have a wizard that you can use.

[MDV]

Because

A: I'm compiling it in a excel (well, OO calc) sheet, which works fine
B: I already have graphs
C: The graphs arent getting released to the public till they are statistically solid (more data) and therefore meet my approval as a satisfactorily robust data source, and then to Tim who can then choose to use them or not based on what he thinks of there representivity of the pickups. I still dont really properly know if its working. Early indications from the largest groups show that the results are quite reasonably gaussian, though, which means it should (the results should have a gausian distribution if the premise is sound; randomised with a standard distribution around a mean value; if they didnt have that distribution then this wont work).

[xSweep]

A-Pig -

Bridge - T6 M6 B9

Very fat, saturated

Neck - T5 M6 B8

Super hot vintage vibe

PK -

Bridge - T7 M8 B5

Clinical, great midrange punch, extremely tight.

[CanadianMetalhead]

Joined just to contribute to this thread so hopefully it helps a bit.

Miracle man bridge in and old Esp F-200 basswood

B : 7

M : 4

T : 8

Stupidly Tight in the bottom end but packs a great sound that sounds like the crack of lightning when you strike a power chord heavily. To my ears anyways.  :shock:

Holy Diver Neck in same guitar

B : 9

M : 7

T : 4

Fat and thick and too boomy for basswood in my opinion. But i lowered the pickup height considerably and now its just fine. Nice and smooth but i'll prob replace it  :(

[MDV]

Thanks chaps

Especially canadianmetalhead - youre a scholar and a gentleman for joining to participate! Stick around, its a great forum.

[CanadianMetalhead]

lol just happy to help :)

[With Full Distortion]

Bare Knuckle Warpig Bridge - Bass 7 , Middles 5, Highs 5.  
Bare Knuckle Nailbomb Bridge - Bass 5, Middles 5,5, Highs 6,5 .
Bare Knuckle Miracle Man Bridge - Bass 6, Middles 4, Highs 7 .
Bare Knuckle Painkiller Bridge - Bass 6, Middles 6, HIghs 7,5 .

q: p
All pickups are the traditional versions. SO, theres no custommagnet or magnet swap at all.
q: p
JP


PS -  Although in the chart measurements ,the warpig and painkiller and miracle man has its bass frequencies almost in the same level, it feels like the Warpig has more amount of bass. more MASS to it.as tim said, it has a wall of sound to it.
the painkiller has a more MEATY Bass and its deeper too.
Miracle man has the classic Surgical/clinical dry and meticulous tight bass response and still manage to keep the amount of bass .
the Nailbomb has just the RIGHT Amount of bass to my ears. Its tight,deep and natural and organic.
i just wish it could have a bit more pronounced Middles in my Nailbomb . q: P

[tekbow]

Just wondering, different amps respond differently and will require different settings to get the same EQ, if the EQ ranges are at all similar. how is that taken into account?

[MDV]

Just wondering, different amps respond differently and will require different settings to get the same EQ, if the EQ ranges are at all similar. how is that taken into account?

Thats sort of the point.

The idea is that by creating an average of a large number of assesments that are both subjective and with different guitars, amps, speakers, cabs etc etc etc there will be as many results that, say, place a large emphasis on bass as there are that underestimate it, and so provided the results are gaussian (which they are so far, where there are enough data points to give an indication) the average will be a 'true' value, or rather that the mean of the group will be a more representative value than any one value in the group.

In short, I'm counting on people making different assesments of the pickup because of different equipement, settings, tastes and the like.

[tekbow]

Ah, proper statistical analysis. so listing the amp is therefore irrelevant as the "true" average values will give you the best start point fom which  to EQ your pickups?

[MDV]

Ah, proper statistical analysis. so listing the amp is therefore irrelevant as the "true" average values will give you the best start point fom which  to EQ your pickups?

Kind of, yes.

In that if enough people take part then there will be enough different combinations of gear the the values from this would be the best indicators of the pickups general EQ for anyone no matter what their gear.

But yes, listing the amp, guitar and whatever else is irrelevent, because whatever EQ character they have, someone should be using the same pickup in a setup thats the opposite, and more or less all points in between.