Greenbacks vs V30-75 X-Pattern

[WhiteRam]

In general and all things else being equal. . . 4x12 loaded with greenbacks vs 4x12 loaded with V30's & 75's x-pattern.  Which cabinet would sound/appear to be brighter?

Hoping someone's had the experience with this, thanks.  :)

WR

[Twinfan]

V30s and G12T-75s will be a lot brighter and really cut.

MUCH brighter.

[ericsabbath]

definitely the one with v30's
but I bet the g12m + g12t75 blend better and will sound more toneful with most amps
they have close volume levels and almost opposite EQ
the v30 tends to completely bury the g12t75 sound, except for the extra low end

I recently bought a 1960A with t75's
it sounded very dark and scooped, which was good for my modded JMP, but too muffled for my zambelli hyperdrive (which is more bogner voiced)
then I took out the g12t75's and installed a pair of mg music black dogs (I guess they're similar to weber silver bell) and a pair of rola celestion 55hz G12M (blackbacks)
the black dogs are greenback type speakers, but fatter, darker and wider sounding
the cab sounded really good, but the black dogs were much louder than the blackbacks, so I could barely hear the celestions
so I sold the old G12M's and installed UK made V30's (I think it's the 70w made for mesa)
the v30's sounded louder and much brighter than the black dogs, but not a huge difference like the black dogs x blackbacks
I'm happy with the tone, but it's much harsher and more spikey than the previous combination
I regret not trying to combine the G12M's with the G12T75's
the G12T75's were very bass heavy and mid hollow, while the G12M's lacked low end and were very upper mid focused
I believe they would blend perfectly

[WhiteRam]

Ok then, thanks to both you guys, TF I like your no hesitation and matter of fact about your reply.  :)

I've collected up two V30's and two G12T-75's, both from the year 1997 in immaculate shape and have been dying to hear them.  However I have the sweetest matched quad of Greenbacks from 1999 that I've ever experienced which are currently in my 1960B.  I'll just wait until I get another cabinet to do the V30-75 x-pattern.

Eric I've longed to do the G12M - 75 x thing, it's my understanding that Neal Schon of Journey used this during their popular time.  Even though I remember the first time I heard my Greenback quad after installing them, and vowed to never open the cabinet again. . . I think sometimes we get "dulled" to hearing the same thing day in and day out, and start thinking to change flavors.  :roll:

Ya the 75's do have the same SPL rating as the G12M's, and I am one who loves the dry scooped sound the 75's offer along with their bass tone.  I'll post up here if I do it and let ya know in comparison.  Thanks again for the elaboration and your experience.

WR

[JamesHealey]

Greenbacks are quite dull sounding especially the reissues.

They actually sound nothing like the Pre-Rola speakers at all, I've had quite a few Pre-Rola speakers and I really like the sound of these old Greenbacks..

I much prefer the sound of Fane Pop 50 speakers though in the old Hiwatt cabs, both these old vintage speakers cost about £100 a piece so they're serious money but sound fantastic.

[Twinfan]

Greenbacks are quite dull sounding especially the reissues.

Bollocks.

There's nothing wrong with the cheap Chinese Greenbacks I use with my JTM45.  They're not 'dull' at all.  I've never played knackered old Celestions, so I can't compare them, but as a brand new speaker they have a classic character.  I'd buy them again, no problem.