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Adjusting to a 7 string?
« on: June 30, 2010, 01:40:13 AM »
I'm a 7 string virgin and wondered how hard it is to go from a 6 stringer to a 7? I love the idea of a 7 string but not a 45 mm nut!! Is it something you get used to just like a chunkier neck or does it always feel really wide? Does it hinder bends or lead playing at all? And!... is there anyone out there using it for stuff other than metal or jazz...? Ta!

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Re: Adjusting to a 7 string?
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2010, 03:14:21 AM »
45mm is about standard for a steel string acoustic and a lot less than most classical guitars so it's not too bad really, but my own experience of trying 7 strings was that remembering that the lowest string is a B not an E is quite a learning curve, consequently I don't own one.
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Re: Adjusting to a 7 string?
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2010, 03:24:28 AM »
Quite honestly, I find 7 strings more comfortable than a 6 nowadays. I do have fairly large hands I guess, and I have been playing them for over 10 years now, which makes up a 2/3rds majority of the lifespan my guitar playing; perhaps as a result I'm more nonchalant about it than someone who's only flirted with an extra string. However, in recent years I've tried a few 8 strings, and the transition to those was just as painless - the only thing stopping me buying one is the price tag for another custom instrument, since there are no 8 string production models that I like.

The initial transition for me, from what I recall, was swift and painless. I don't find it hinders lead playing or bending at all. Many others who've tried to swap over disagree - I guess it very much depends upon the individual. Plenty of people are happy with a de-tuned six string, which in general is cheaper, has more hardware options and vastly more production models to choose from, and are generally better catered for by most manufacturers. Not every company is so willing to cater for ERG's as BKP is - so it's not just about playability. Things are improving with time, however, compared to 10 years ago you have a multitude of options nowadays.

The best advice I can give you is to play a few - my preference is for ESP style necks (for example, see the Horizon NT7). Lots of people like the Ibanez 7 string necks - I don't, personally, so it's probably important that you try a selection of different brands to get a decent perspective.

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Re: Adjusting to a 7 string?
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2010, 11:45:15 AM »
As has already been said, it's more comfortable than playing a classical. You're also unlikely to be playing barre chords involving 7 strings, so it's more about getting extra movement in your wrist than extra stretch in your fingers. If it's an extended scale model then big bends will be more challenging (although not as big a difference as you might think), but this is balanced by the extra control of your bends it gives you, so it just makes lead playing different (and more than half have a floyd anyway if you really need big, quick bends).
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Re: Adjusting to a 7 string?
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2010, 12:28:37 PM »
Ta! Classical's don't bother me, but I'm not doing 1.5 tone bends on them. I shall hunt one down to try out.

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Re: Adjusting to a 7 string?
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2010, 12:46:17 PM »
On a similar note, what does a 7 string offer a "non-metaller"?

(and I mean apart from the extra string...)

I've never really thought about using a 7 string, as I've always thought of them as the domain of the metal chugga-chugga players.  But is there more to them than that?

I mean, do you get 7 string blues/jazz/fusion players?  Can you get more interesting chord shapes with a 7 string?

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Re: Adjusting to a 7 string?
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2010, 12:53:36 PM »
On a similar note, what does a 7 string offer a "non-metaller"?

(and I mean apart from the extra string...)

I've never really thought about using a 7 string, as I've always thought of them as the domain of the metal chugga-chugga players.  But is there more to them than that?

I mean, do you get 7 string blues/jazz/fusion players?  Can you get more interesting chord shapes with a 7 string?
Well, the first guitarist to make it popular was Steve Vai on the "Passion & Warfare" album which is hardly  chugging metal.  Grinding away on the low B isn't obligatory (though that's all I find myself doing when I try them :))
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Re: Adjusting to a 7 string?
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2010, 12:58:26 PM »
Plenty of Jazzers use them to fatten up walking bass lines and chords.
Check out Howard Alden and George Van Eps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAAbQWAYW3s
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Re: Adjusting to a 7 string?
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2010, 01:05:48 PM »
I think Charlie Hunter uses an 8 String.

Look also for the way Tosin Abasi uses a 7 or an 8, almost like guitar & bass in one
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Re: Adjusting to a 7 string?
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2010, 01:26:20 PM »
On a similar note, what does a 7 string offer a "non-metaller"?

(and I mean apart from the extra string...)

I've never really thought about using a 7 string, as I've always thought of them as the domain of the metal chugga-chugga players.  But is there more to them than that?

I mean, do you get 7 string blues/jazz/fusion players?  Can you get more interesting chord shapes with a 7 string?

Mark.

Yea that's what I was wondering aswell. I've only really seen 7s used for metal and jazz.

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Re: Adjusting to a 7 string?
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2010, 01:57:43 PM »
That's largely because guitarists are slaves to convention. There is more than a hint of going to eleven with 7 strings, and consequently they're associated with genres where pushing the envelope is more likely to be applauded than derided (as opposed to blues for example). However, at the end of the day, it's a tool. It's up to you how you use it. If you play lots of scalar runs and arpeggios, it gives you extra shapes to play with, if you play riff based stuff then you've got extra fat notes to add (indeed, if I'm playing 6th root powerchords I'll often play inversions using the 7th). These are why it's popular in jazz and metal circles, but that's not all you can do with it. 7 string guitars are actually traditional in Russian folk and classical music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHVl4kn1nes&feature=related . The added bass notes would actually be pretty cool for fingerstyle/hybrid passages. You can also tune it however you want, so you can achieve cool drones or huge open chords. Paul Gilbert tunes the bottom 3 strings in octaves to create really useful arpeggio shapes.
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Re: Adjusting to a 7 string?
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2010, 02:13:10 PM »
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Re: Adjusting to a 7 string?
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2010, 03:19:57 PM »
You'll be fine, it feels really natural and the width difference isn't a big (feel-wise) as you might think.

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Re: Adjusting to a 7 string?
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2010, 03:28:25 PM »
This guy does some cool non metal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVm3Qpqbhx4

Sadly, the guitar sounds utterly abysmal.

After my recent thread about wanting a floyd rose guitar, I'm kinda thinking I might buy an Agile and have a 7 string whilst I'm at it. But that's not a great advert haha.

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Re: Adjusting to a 7 string?
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2010, 03:39:41 PM »
been looking at agile's too, nfe you got any idea how much import duty adds to the price?

when I've played 7 strings I found switching easy, 8s are more of a challenge but in a fun way

I think bluesy bendy players who put their thumb way over the top of the neck would struggle the most making the switch, not that I've ever seen anyone play blues on a 7