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Nadz1lla

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Re: Bring Me The Horizon...
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2010, 01:09:15 PM »
I'd like to think there were more open-minded people like myself and Roo in the metal scene, but unfortunately, Roo has hit on something that irks me somewhat too. There are very, very few bands I dislike. Some bands I really like, for instance Periphery, have awesome music, but I don't like the vocals. I still bought their album, though, as I think Misha and co should still be appreciated for the bits they get right.

But what grates me are these elitists who say "This isn't metal" or "That's not true metal".

What is "True" metal? I don't believe there is an answer to that. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you want to trace metal back to it's truest form, you'll find yourself delving into Blues and maybe even stuff before that. In essence, true metal isn't even metal...at least not as these "elitists" know it.

It's the most absurd claim there is in heavy music, and those who shun other bands for not being "true" are just the type of ignorant idiots that give the rest of us a bad image.

I certainly don't like Oli Sykes as a person, having known someone who was just sat on a bus one day, he and some of his bandmates got on and started spitting at her for no reason at all. She hadn't looked at them funny, she didn't know them, she had said nothing to them. It seems more of a case that they had a problem with her and the way she looked. Even though I have a lees than favourable view of BMTH, I would never have the audacity  or arrogance to say they are not metal. Who am I to judge that?

When listening to bands, I would rather judge them on their individual merits and not let one band from a certain sub-genre put me off that genre entirely. If it's not what I like, then it is just that. I don't like them. Are they not "true" metal? Who am I to say?

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Re: Bring Me The Horizon...
« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2010, 01:26:14 PM »
But what grates me are these elitists who say "This isn't metal" or "That's not true metal".

What is "True" metal? I don't believe there is an answer to that. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you want to trace metal back to it's truest form, you'll find yourself delving into Blues and maybe even stuff before that. In essence, true metal isn't even metal...at least not as these "elitists" know it.

If you want the answer, listen to Manowar

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Re: Bring Me The Horizon...
« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2010, 01:38:48 PM »
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I take back my previous statements, I forgot there IS a true metal band out there.  :lol:

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Re: Bring Me The Horizon...
« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2010, 01:47:14 PM »
Just like to repeat that I wasn't having a go at anyone here in my post! :)

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Re: Bring Me The Horizon...
« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2010, 02:02:27 PM »
Just like to repeat that I wasn't having a go at anyone here in my post! :)

We know dude, it's all good!  :)

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Re: Bring Me The Horizon...
« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2010, 02:04:00 PM »
Just like to repeat that I wasn't having a go at anyone here in my post! :)

I didn't take offence. besides, I can hear what to me, is straight up hardcore punk parts in 13Gauge.
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Re: Bring Me The Horizon...
« Reply #36 on: August 18, 2010, 02:04:45 PM »
The ironic thing is, it's either close-minded gits/old fogeys or the aforementioned scene kids who go 'dats not metulz!!!!1!!1'

Everyone else I know just gets on with it and jokes around with the phrase to wind someone else up!

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Re: Bring Me The Horizon...
« Reply #37 on: August 18, 2010, 03:22:39 PM »
Damn, I feel old reading this :lol:

Off the top of my head, the last new band I got into (in the sense of them, being new to me) were probably Opeth in 1996 or Arch Enemy in 1997 :lol:  I'm sure there are newer bands than that whose CDs I've bought, I just can't think of one right now :lol:
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Re: Bring Me The Horizon...
« Reply #38 on: August 18, 2010, 03:40:19 PM »
I don't care if it's 'Metal' or not... I only care that it's good (authentic).

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Re: Bring Me The Horizon...
« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2010, 06:07:27 PM »
Authentic, as in 'real' or 'true'? ;)

Nadz, theres a very big difference between tracing the ancestry of a style or styles of music and distilling the escence of the style/s. Metal is partly derived from blues, yes, but is very much seperate from it (and seperated from it by a few musical transitional forms like rock and roll and rock).

At its basics, metal is blues + punk (the proper one that hated everything, not the polished cr@p that passes for it now) + rock + classical. Imo. But the fact that theres so much contradiction between the ethoses and sub-cultural attidutes carried within those genres (if 'classical' is a genre, which it is, but not as normally understood; I'm lumping romantic, baroque and whatever else under that label) hints at something else that defines metal: its a musical melting pot, and the only genre I can think of that draws from every other genre I can think of (and still retains its identity as some species or genus of Metal).

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Re: Bring Me The Horizon...
« Reply #40 on: August 18, 2010, 06:34:07 PM »
Aye but that's what I'm trying to say. If someone really wanted to dissect what "true" metal is, they'd be there all day. Instead of wasting time and energy on trying to define what it is, I'd rather chuck a bunch of words into Last.FM and see what new kinds of heavy music it brings up for me. Why question things that just are? Why not just enjoy them, or look for new bands to listen to instead of going around saying "That's not tr00 enough for me, I'm not going to listen to it".

I dunno, people these days, eh?  :lol:

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Re: Bring Me The Horizon...
« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2010, 07:09:26 PM »
Theres no reason to make the distinction other than some misplaced bravado or ego in labelling your stuff basically 'hard, n00bs, we haz skillz and cant not use dem'.

That gets it in a nutshell.