guitar racism

[MrBump]

I played one of Twinfans PRS's a while back, and it was a great guitar.  For me though, the styling of the "expensive" PRS's just doesn't do it for me at all.

Having said that, I do adore the look of the Mira.  My next guitar will deffo be one of those, or possibly a double cut LP.  Or a Hamer...

Guitar racism though... hmmm...  Personally, if it's got strings I'm pretty much in love with it.  Racism implies a kinda hatred that I could ever feel for a guitar.  Even a Dean...

[WezV]

My guitar is better than all of yours anyway, so there.

of course it is ;)

but after having a pretty close gander i can say twinfan's modern eagle is worth evey penny.

PRS dont really do it for me in general - but i have met quite a few exceptions to that (including twinfans modern eagle which i gawped at for quite a while!)  

i have not brought one because i cant afford it at the moment (a real shame with some of the amazing second hand prices in the last year or two)- but i will get a PRS one day - and it will probably be a rather plain and slightly battered version when i do

[Dmoney]

i was always indifferent to the PRS.
I do really like the Mira though.
there is something about most of there other guitars that's puts me off.

I'm not that into the DBZ guitars and similar where CNCs are use to make crazy cuts.
its snazzy, but its almost like... ok... we got a CNC machine, lets do loads of fiddly bits that don't make sense.
fake croc skin effect carved into the body is a no no for me.

[WezV]

only guitars i dont really like are impractical ones

so stuff like a vai flame would be top of the list:


anything where the design creates structural problems.  I have nearly gotten over my dislike of SG's for this reason but still think they are infinately better as through necks

[nfe]

Why are SGs problematic constructionally? That shallow neck joint?

[Dmoney]

only guitars i dont really like are impractical ones

so stuff like a vai flame would be top of the list:


anything where the design creates structural problems.  I have nearly gotten over my dislike of SG's for this reason but still think they are infinately better as through necks

kind of reminds me of minarik. through body 3 necks and all that.

[WezV]

yes, its the neck in general i have issues with... a very short tennon with a particularly long neck free of the body.  These things are perfectly possibly but work so much better with a few modern techniques gibson have not yet started to use.  

[Philly Q]

yes, its the neck in general i have issues with... a very short tennon with a particularly long neck free of the body.  These things are perfectly possibly but work so much better with a few modern techniques gibson have not yet started to use.  

Yeah, I love SGs but I've started to worry about the neck joints.  The joint on the modern SG Standard seems pretty robust but the early '60s box joints are definitely dodgy - the tenon is short and even the body wood surrounding the neck is weak because of the deep cutaways.  I've had two Tokai SGs now with lacquer cracking round the joint and even though they seemed pretty solid, the cracks suggest there's some movement.

A through neck or even a very long "set-through" tenon seems like a good idea.

Having said all that, doublecut PRS and Hamer guitars don't have a massive amount of the neck glued into the body - I guess tighter tolerances help, and there's greater body depth, so there's more surface area of wood actually glued (as compared with an SG)?

[Afghan Dave]

Imagine if you treated your SGs the way Jake E Lee did... Push on the headstock, palm on the top horn.. Instant divebomb!  :? :o

[Philly Q]

Imagine if you treated your SGs the way Jake E Lee did... Push on the headstock, palm on the top horn.. Instant divebomb!  :? :o

Can you imagine me doing that?  (answer: No)

I have tried it - just a little - and you can really feel the potential for instant breakage.  More at the headstock than the neck joint, though.

Wasn't there a story about Slash(?) doing the same thing with a Les Paul and getting hit - very hard - in the mouth when the neck snapped?

[Johnny Mac]

I pretty much like all guitar styles with the exception of the BC Rich's and Deans extreme styles. I did see some awful guitars on a Stand next to Feline at the 2007 LGS. All dungeons and dragons. Someone wasted a lot of money making those things.
I've only tried one PRS and that was one of Dave's at a BKP meet last year. I thought it was a lovely guitar to play. They are pricey though and would probably go custom again if I had that kind of money to spend on a guitar.
I used to hate Tele's when I was younger and I've just bought one so I think your tastes can change as you get older.

[tomjackson]

So you can't do this with an SG?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMW0t17Ft5o  (Go to about 4:15)

I doubt there's many guitars you can do that with....

[Twinfan]

The old PRS I posted earlier does belong to an endorsee, and he's been with them from the early days.

BUT.

That white guitar he bought and paid for himself, from a regular shop, and he's in a very popular and hard working covers band in the US.  His endorsee status came about because he loved Casper so much, and had regular links to Paul and guys when they were small.

I still really don't understand why PRS guitars get such a hard time  :?

[Tellboy]

I still really don't understand why PRS guitars get such a hard time  :?

+1  - Perhaps they should do a road worn or relic range  :)

[Matt77]

I think they are great guitars but it's this really high price stuff that alienates so many:

http://www.google.co.uk/products?hl=en&q=prs&price1=1,500.00&scoring=pd

Then there's Knaggs............